2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[WardenOfTheNorth]

If you take out from what you say the engine that had tailored made the rules long before they came reality, how many titles Toto would had?

Off topic, but surely having the PU prepared as early as possible is a mark of a good team leader??

The only thing that stopped CH doing the same with RBR was that they had failed to appreciate the importance of being a works team.

To bring this back on topic, Ferrari have the same level of integration as Mercedes do, so they should be able to have the same level of preparation for new PU rules.

[dialtone]

If that guy really said that, I would take out his degree, and if I were Ferrari I would eliminate any record of his employment there out of shame. There have to be limits to nonsense in technical topics.

Welcome back.
I was wondering what happend to you and Vanja, you have stopped posting here on the forum.
Is this related to Ferrari's disastrous season? What do you think about the current situation at Ferrari? What are the Italian media saying?

Too much work lately to be honest, and certainly the lack of Ferrari performance doesn’t make me want to wake up at 5am for a car that couldn’t keep the rear in check on a single lap in the last few corners in Singapore.

It wasn’t a positive season of course but there’s too much negativity here, and probably why the usual crowd isn’t posting. The team said that they stopped development a while ago, not sure why folks expect improvements in the car in the current state.

The brake issue is to increase front tyre temps on the single lap, even at the expense of race pace, VF already said this is back to a qualifying formula, and he’s mostly right.

The car is fundamentally different in philosophy from RB and MCL, so while they exchange technical talent that can keep develop the same concept, people in Ferrari have to solve problems that are new to them as well.

It is what it is, Mercs just needed to find a way to not completely shred tires as their quali pace was always decent but then they would tire shred, it’s possible some more suspension work or the tricks them and RBR found to make the front wing flexible again helped out.

Ultimately I’m not too surprised or taken aback from this, when they stopped development season was over already. Next year is a massive rule change so hopefully they can deal with that, it will be tire, engine and aero, in my opinion in that order, next year we’ll see.

[ScuderiaLeo]

[r85]

I could see this working well if Horner can deflect the pressure and interference from the company so that the racing team can do its thing. But it's Ferrari at the end of the day and as James Allison said, no one is above Ferrari.

[venkyhere]

The fundamental problem is technical deficiency, band aid jobs of hiring and firing at the top management level is going to be of ****-all use. What is the reason for technical deficiency ? wrong people ? wrong tools ? stale methodologies that haven't been revamped over decades ? where is the inertia ? Ferrari has to forget about 'fighting for titles' for a few years and actually rebuild the team - McLaren and WIlliams are easy examples. Instead of hiring a superstar designer (which is the real long term rebuild), they go hire a superstar driver (which is a short term marketing revenue) on a 1 year contract. The rot is there, at the top, in the decision making. Hire some proper technical talent, instead of just 'upper-management' and CEO-types who are in it for the money.
It pains to see the decline of this team. Truly, it's despicable. Still we have tifosi clinging on to hope. What hope ? The team is rotten from deep inside. Unless that is eliminated, anything that is going to be done, is going to be like treating a fever, instead of treating the infection.

[JPower]

Once the rumor ball starts rolling, its pretty hard to stop...I don't think Horner will be TP but he will have a position of large influence.

[Xyz22]

Ferrari need technical expertise, not more managerial middle men.

[Sergej]

LOL, here we go with another self-destruction and reconstruction made in Maranello

if Ferrari want a Horner project to work in reality (and not only in the fantasy of some journalists and twitter posters), they should give him full power to design the team as he wants, like he did with Red Bull. But they didn't want to do this with Newey, who would have been much more valuable than Horner for Ferrari. So it's a laughable theory.

[f1isgood]

Horner knows how to build a strong technical team. A Newey less Red Bull is the second best car this year and that was after being in the doldrums last year when Newey was still around.

Simply discrediting someone's success because of personal dislike is never the right way to go about things.

But as others have mentioned, he needs full control or it won't work.

[j_ste]

Ferrari need technical expertise, not more managerial middle men.

If he is as good of a boss as many think he is…he won’t have much trouble recruiting the right people.

[Seanspeed]

Is there any reason to treat this leaker seriously?

I'm adamant I will drop being a fan of this team if they hire Horner, too. Dumbest thing they could possibly do. I also just greatly dislike the man.

[Seanspeed]

Horner knows how to build a strong technical team. A Newey less Red Bull is the second best car this year and that was after being in the doldrums last year when Newey was still around.

Simply discrediting someone's success because of personal dislike is never the right way to go about things.

But as others have mentioned, he needs full control or it won't work.

The current Red Bull is still riding plenty of momentum from Newey's design direction, especially in these fairly static regulations. And we can also see how well the car is doing in anybody's hands except Max. Also, it was Newey that was given the freedom to build the technical team around his needs.

Horner without Newey offers very little for Ferrari. And it'd be much nicer to simply have Newey without Horner if Newey was actually available.

[Waz]

I could see this working well if Horner can deflect the pressure and interference from the company so that the racing team can do its thing. But it's Ferrari at the end of the day and as James Allison said, no one is above Ferrari.

Elkann just seems like he would be a fan of Horner. He doesn't have the mafia boss aura about him that Luca did, so maybe he would genuinely give Horner time, money and space.

The BIGGEST difference between Horner and every TP since Todt, is that he's got a track record to back himself.

You can make demands when the ones writing the cheques know you have done it before.

[dans79]

You can make demands when the ones writing the cheques know you have done it before.

Let's be clear, Horner didn't do Jack, Newey and the people under him made rb what it is/was.

[Waz]

Horner knows how to build a strong technical team. A Newey less Red Bull is the second best car this year and that was after being in the doldrums last year when Newey was still around.

Simply discrediting someone's success because of personal dislike is never the right way to go about things.

But as others have mentioned, he needs full control or it won't work.

The current Red Bull is still riding plenty of momentum from Newey's design direction, especially in these fairly static regulations. And we can also see how well the car is doing in anybody's hands except Max. Also, it was Newey that was given the freedom to build the technical team around his needs.

Horner without Newey offers very little for Ferrari. And it'd be much nicer to simply have Newey without Horner if Newey was actually available.

Unless you worked at Red Bull, nothing you say is confirmed as legit.

Why do you keep equating Horner to a designer? Red Bull have been without Newey for nearly 2 seasons. He wasn't even the TD either. And they're still winning. Because, as Newey reminds us all the time, it takes a lot of people to create a F1 car these days.

And Horner managed to put the right people in place. He also happened to be very well liked by the staff.