2025 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 17 - 19

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Juzh
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Some laps from sprint quali for those who dont read team threads

Verstappen sprint pole 1:32.143
https://streamable.com/vgpp3r


Norris P2 lap 1:32.214
https://streamable.com/140g51

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Farnborough wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 11:05
FW17 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 10:57
Farnborough wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 10:46

Still, judgement by the team as to how late they want to risk final release (to get "quickest" track surfacce) is entirely part of their run plan etc ... they do fully need to take this on board in their actions, current rules or changed, they have to accept the consequences.
Teams cannot do anything, Currently 1 guy can wait at the pit exit for the entire session and wait for the wind to calm down or a cloud to cover the track and have no consequence.
Those arriving behind a stationery competitor can literally just go around them ! Theydon want to as they want the latest pit leave they can get. That's their problem :D

Trying to maximise that "late" aspect makes them vulnerable. They have to balance track potential with missing out completely as someone did here. There's jeopardy in most decisions, they have more running information than all of us, I'd not make excuses for them.
you will get a penalty for overtaking in the pitlane

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Farnborough wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 11:05
FW17 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 10:57
Farnborough wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 10:46

Still, judgement by the team as to how late they want to risk final release (to get "quickest" track surfacce) is entirely part of their run plan etc ... they do fully need to take this on board in their actions, current rules or changed, they have to accept the consequences.
Teams cannot do anything, Currently 1 guy can wait at the pit exit for the entire session and wait for the wind to calm down or a cloud to cover the track and have no consequence.
Those arriving behind a stationery competitor can literally just go around them ! Theydon want to as they want the latest pit leave they can get. That's their problem :D

Trying to maximise that "late" aspect makes them vulnerable. They have to balance track potential with missing out completely as someone did here. There's jeopardy in most decisions, they have more running information than all of us, I'd not make excuses for them.
you will get a penalty for overtaking in the pitlane

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FW17 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 14:59
Farnborough wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 11:05
FW17 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 10:57


Teams cannot do anything, Currently 1 guy can wait at the pit exit for the entire session and wait for the wind to calm down or a cloud to cover the track and have no consequence.
Those arriving behind a stationery competitor can literally just go around them ! Theydon want to as they want the latest pit leave they can get. That's their problem :D

Trying to maximise that "late" aspect makes them vulnerable. They have to balance track potential with missing out completely as someone did here. There's jeopardy in most decisions, they have more running information than all of us, I'd not make excuses for them.
you will get a penalty for overtaking in the pitlane
Are there any rules for moving past a stationary car there during the event ? Don't think anyone has been investigated for it.

Part of this que effect has derived from relative pace monitoring for in/out laps, that didn't previously exist.

I'll make the point again .... more rules added on top of rules with unintended original consequences doesn't do the sport any good in its public presence.

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Just a matter of how you see it. Now, they release somebody from the garage to play games in the pitlane. Just say, when you release a driver from the garage, it should drive to the track and mandate a minimum speed to do so. Change the definition of the green pit ligt from "you may" to "you must proceed to the track".

This way, you shift the strategic timing to the guy releasing the driver instead of te driver alteribg strategy based on what happens in the pitlane.

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They could just extend the "impeeding" judgement and subsequent penalty risk to green pitlane as well.

Driver enters green status out of box, must not impeed another driver in going straight to track.

It doesn't need speed limit/floor to enact the existing rules for impeeding.

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It's on

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Mmm good start 8)

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well, yeah. The over-under is always a risk in turn 1 at COTA. Piastri should have known.

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I am dead certain that Verstappen will win the WDC.

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McLarenHonda wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 19:08
Exactly what I was talking about!

This is how Verstapen will win this! Braindead Norris…
What did norris do wrong? Piastri turning in on others more like

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search wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 19:08
well, yeah. The over-under is always a risk in turn 1 at COTA. Piastri should have known.
Well, but again Mango rules. Lando opened the brake to run Pia off. Again over agressive.
Don`t russel the hamster!

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I think that is Piastri's fault having seen it again. He is creaking in a way his mentor would be proud of.

No useable data for McLaren to set the cars up for the race either.
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basti313 wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 19:13
search wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 19:08
well, yeah. The over-under is always a risk in turn 1 at COTA. Piastri should have known.
Well, but again Mango rules. Lando opened the brake to run Pia off. Again over agressive.
not "again" imo. Singapore was the right move.

Today I agree, there was no point in braking late. But Piastri still caused the crash afterwards by turning into Hülkenberg.
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that Mercedes looks fast. On used Mediums even, while Verstappen started on new ones.