2024 Cost Cap Breaches

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So we know Aston Martin were a bit late crossing the Ts and dotting the I's.

But according to Giuly Duchessa (a well known and credible Italian journalist), two other teams also broke the cap - with at least one being a major overspend, with said team protesting.

This thread is to discuss and speculate on these breaches..

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Autoracer (credible) says all but two teams have received their certificates.
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Mark Hughes (credible) said it is not Red Bull.
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Could have some costly CFD and windtunnel time losses for a team of true
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Williams and …?

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chrisc90 wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 18:40
Could have some costly CFD and windtunnel time losses for a team of true
Big if true

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Sources have told PlanetF1.com that the team in question is challenging the breach.

However, the team at the heart of the allegations highlighted to PlanetF1.com that there is a defined process which must be followed for any breach (potential or actual), which is not taking place.

It has also been pointed out that, as the Cost Cap Adjudication panel operates confidentially, it’s possible there are processes ongoing that the team is not privy to.
According to pf1, one of the teams in question is challenging the breach and that team has communicated the above.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... cap-breach


The autoracer report suggest that there are two teams, not just one as PF1 suggest. (in addition to inconsequential Aston breach)
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AR3-GP wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 18:56
Sources have told PlanetF1.com that the team in question is challenging the breach.

However, the team at the heart of the allegations highlighted to PlanetF1.com that there is a defined process which must be followed for any breach (potential or actual), which is not taking place.

It has also been pointed out that, as the Cost Cap Adjudication panel operates confidentially, it’s possible there are processes ongoing that the team is not privy to.
According to pf1, one of the teams in question is challenging the breach and that team has communicated the above.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... cap-breach


The autoracer report suggest that there are two teams, not just one as PF1 suggest. (in addition to inconsequential Aston breach)
Any guesses? Who crashed the most last year? Williams I’m thinking could be a real possibility but who else

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Most likely Williams or Mercedes. Both had way too many crashes. Both had TPs complain about this before.

If it was Red Bull we would already know.
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f1isgood wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 19:15
Most likely Williams or Mercedes. Both had way too many crashes. Both had TPs complain about this before.

If it was Red Bull we would already know.
Wow imagine if it’s Merc! that would be huge especially if it affects 2026

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This could turn into nothing. Let's hope it's nothing.
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f1isgood wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 19:15
Most likely Williams or Mercedes. Both had way too many crashes. Both had TPs complain about this before.

If it was Red Bull we would already know.
Didn't Merc have less totals than RB last year?
And of all the teams, we know RB have broken rules in budget caps previously.
We also wouldn't "already know" if it was them. It could be any team at this point aside from AM. Loads of denials from journos/twitterati were issued regarding RB being the perpetrators last time.

Simply, nobody knows and no credible sources will name drop until the process has been completed and vetted by auditors.
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To be taken with a big pinch of salt, but Italian commentator Carlo Vanzini posted two stories on Instagram, one on Friday and another one last night, suggesting who are the two teams under scrutineering

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Quantum wrote:
26 Oct 2025, 01:36
f1isgood wrote:
25 Oct 2025, 19:15
Most likely Williams or Mercedes. Both had way too many crashes. Both had TPs complain about this before.

If it was Red Bull we would already know.
Didn't Merc have less totals than RB last year?
And of all the teams, we know RB have broken rules in budget caps previously.
We also wouldn't "already know" if it was them. It could be any team at this point aside from AM. Loads of denials from journos/twitterati were issued regarding RB being the perpetrators last time.

Simply, nobody knows and no credible sources will name drop until the process has been completed and vetted by auditors.
I do not know the financials of Mercedes or Red Bull. You can spend your time worrying about it for all I care.

Last time Red Bull breached, the news was out multiple months earlier. So clearly, if it was Red Bull, there is precedence that there are sources willing to leak information well-in-advance.

Toto and Vowles are both on record worrying about the budget cap for 2024 because of crashes. My opinion as far as this story goes is based on what is said and is relevant to 2024.

This could all be a nothing burger and I hope it is, as last time the shitshow was bad enough.
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f1isgood wrote:
26 Oct 2025, 11:45
I do not know the financials of Mercedes or Red Bull. You can spend your time worrying about it for all I care.

Last time Red Bull breached, the news was out multiple months earlier. So clearly, if it was Red Bull, there is precedence that there are sources willing to leak information well-in-advance.

Toto and Vowles are both on record worrying about the budget cap for 2024 because of crashes. My opinion as far as this story goes is based on what is said and is relevant to 2024.

This could all be a nothing burger and I hope it is, as last time the shitshow was bad enough.
I'm worry free, I'm pointing out that Multiple teams has more crashes and write offs than Mercedes last year.
Basing a thesis of guilt from what TP's say or dont is also critically flawed. Case in point?

"I'm certainly not aware of any budget cap breach and I'm absolutely confident in our submission. The FIA has stated that they have not completed their process, so unless there is a clear withdrawal of those statements, we will be taking it extremely seriously. We will look at all the options available to us because it is absolutely unacceptable to be making the comments that were made yesterday which are totally defamatory to the team, to the brands, and to Formula One. To reiterate, what is totally unacceptable, is for teams that are not party to any form of the submission to be making claims about our submission and about perspective penalties. It is just bang out of order.
October 2022. Famously.
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