2025 Mexican Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, Oct 24 - 26

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Alonso - "But I think a couple of cars went just straight in turn two and three and then they rejoined like three or four cars in front of me. So it’s a little bit unfair, I would say.

“It’s the second time in a row that on the first lap in the first corner, the FIA is looking to the other side. So, lesson learned."

that's a funny one, as Alonso caused this himself by divedombing into the first corner. He clipped Ocon's rear, who thereby pushed Sainz into Lawson.

[basti313]

Alonso - "But I think a couple of cars went just straight in turn two and three and then they rejoined like three or four cars in front of me. So it’s a little bit unfair, I would say.

“It’s the second time in a row that on the first lap in the first corner, the FIA is looking to the other side. So, lesson learned."

that's a funny one, as Alonso caused this himself by divedombing into the first corner. He clipped Ocon's rear, who thereby pushed Sainz into Lawson.

I think it is even better visible in the top view: The Willi and the RB were clearly in front of Alo until he clipped the rear wheel of Ocon. So I do not see whay they should give back a position to him. On the other side in your video we can clearly see, that they gave back positions to every car they overtook.
So similar to the front. Everyone gave back the positions he gained by going through the gras. Except Leclerc, but this is a Ferrari issue.
So everything fine with T1.

[purestpurist]

In Abu Dhabi ‘21, stewards felt for somebody else not Hamilton mate

No they literally tried to not restart the race to cover for Mercedes' pit blunder but Masi refused to go along with it. If he had done what tptb wanted he wouldn't have lost his job

Wow, this is such an alternate reality take on what happened. Literally the opposite of reality.

F1 supremos didn't want to finish the race (and decide the championship) behind the SC so they literally BROKE their own rules to facilitate a last-lap showdown between the reigning champ on old tires and the young challenger on a fresh set.

This is not contested. That is what happened.

That's a far more reasonable opinion to hold, the person I was replying to said they just wanted to screw over hamilton, which is laughable in the context of previous decisons that year

[Henk_v]

People who hold the opinion Max did something wrong in T1 should look at the entire start (not only an X clip) and the onboard.
Max was pushed off track and bottomed out on the kerb. He did brake to make the corner, but locked the wheels due to bottoming out. Max was a passenger in the situation.
If you look at the onboard, he gave it his all to not crash and missed the wall by 10 cm briefly before rejoining. He could not have done anything different, he just avoided crashing till that point. When he rejoined he imediately took responsibility and gave back all positions gained unfairly. He did not play games, he did not give the positions back in a tactical spot to gain advantage.
Before being pushed on the kerb, he was a car's length in front of Russell and gaining. Even if Verstappen could have braked for a switchback he would have been in front of Russel.

[ismail1991]

You can judge freely, but the drivers will go by the rules and not some random person’s judgement on the internet. According to the rules, Max had the right to the corner, which means he didn’t have to leave space for Hamilton. The stewards validated as much, there’s an article about it on The-Race should you be interested in the facts.

I have seen that article. I am sure rules say always you need to leave a car space, in that case it wasnt given. And I noticed in the article it was Hamilton who was investigated for the collision, not Max which is funny for me. Lewis could have had a broken suspension or front wing from the impact Max made. Then lewis would be out of the race and would the stewards say it is a racing incident again. I know the rules mate, dont try to teach them to me. I know how flexible and subjective they are. I know how much it depends on which drivers are involved and which referees are working that race

No That’s what Alonso said like 13 years ago trying to give Rosberg a penalty. But that’s not what the rules state. This is what I mean when I say what is the point of judging if you don’t know the rules? It just becomes a reflection of your feelings instead of an analysis of the facts. As soon as Max was fully alongside on the apex it became his corner and he is no longer required to give space on the exit, as per the drivers’ wishes, and just like the stewards describe in the article.

I dont agree with your judgement and your explanations. For me, Max bullied into turn1 pushed hamilton off track. What can Hamilton do to avoid it, nothing. Mayhen caused by Max. He is protected by FIA, and they even caused Hamilton for an incident Max caused

[Badger]

I have seen that article. I am sure rules say always you need to leave a car space, in that case it wasnt given. And I noticed in the article it was Hamilton who was investigated for the collision, not Max which is funny for me. Lewis could have had a broken suspension or front wing from the impact Max made. Then lewis would be out of the race and would the stewards say it is a racing incident again. I know the rules mate, dont try to teach them to me. I know how flexible and subjective they are. I know how much it depends on which drivers are involved and which referees are working that race

No That’s what Alonso said like 13 years ago trying to give Rosberg a penalty. But that’s not what the rules state. This is what I mean when I say what is the point of judging if you don’t know the rules? It just becomes a reflection of your feelings instead of an analysis of the facts. As soon as Max was fully alongside on the apex it became his corner and he is no longer required to give space on the exit, as per the drivers’ wishes, and just like the stewards describe in the article.

I dont agree with your judgement and your explanations. For me, Max bullied into turn1 pushed hamilton off track. What can Hamilton do to avoid it, nothing. Mayhen caused by Max. He is protected by FIA, and they even caused Hamilton for an incident Max caused

Tough luck because those are the rules and the stewards confirmed it verbatim. Hamilton should have yielded earlier and not turned in.

[Artur Craft]

Mexico needs gravels on the first 4 turns.

Wouldn´t it be better if we just got rid of this GP anyways? Horrible little track full of very tight corners. The stadium section is gringeworthy. The crowd is not polite and booes the winning driver for no reason.

Very close constructor championship now for second.

Yeah, very close between Ferrari, Mercedes and Verstappen

[aMessageToCharlie]

I dont agree with your judgement and your explanations. For me, Max bullied into turn1 pushed hamilton off track. What can Hamilton do to avoid it, nothing. Mayhen caused by Max. He is protected by FIA, and they even caused Hamilton for an incident Max caused

Tough luck because those are the rules and the stewards confirmed it verbatim. Hamilton should have yielded earlier and not turned in.

Mate, it all depends on which rule stewards want to look at. For me, just because Stewards decided like that, doesnt meant that decision was correct. Stewards make many mistakes and they always find a way to protect their golden boy.

Just quit it, mate, you're wrong.

[FittingMechanics]

People who hold the opinion Max did something wrong in T1 should look at the entire start (not only an X clip) and the onboard.
Max was pushed off track and bottomed out on the kerb. He did brake to make the corner, but locked the wheels due to bottoming out. Max was a passenger in the situation.

For me T1 is fine. Even though I don't like this "go off and rejoin in the same position" business. I think it can be exploited (wasn't here).

To me the problem was Lap 6, where he dived to the inside of Hamilton in T1, gained the apex and pushed Hamilton off track then went off track himself in T3 after which he emerges ahead of HAM and then goes off in T4 as well (Hamilton goes off a lot in this situation).

[DChemTech]

In Abu Dhabi ‘21, stewards felt for somebody else not Hamilton mate

No they literally tried to not restart the race to cover for Mercedes' pit blunder but Masi refused to go along with it. If he had done what tptb wanted he wouldn't have lost his job

Wow, this is such an alternate reality take on what happened. Literally the opposite of reality.

F1 supremos didn't want to finish the race (and decide the championship) behind the SC so they literally BROKE their own rules to facilitate a last-lap showdown between the reigning champ on old tires and the young challenger on a fresh set.

This is not contested. That is what happened.

Much can be said about the stewarding & TDs of the 2021 season in general, but this is not the place to do that. There is a whole thread devoted to it - where probably all these things have been said already. So please stick to the 2025 season and specifically Mexican GP here? Thx.

[venkyhere]

You cant push somebody off track as well. That is a rule. That is what Max did

Yes you can, according to the new stewarding rules, if you have the inside of the corner (front axle ahead of the mirrors of the defending car). The same thing Hamilton did, in this very race, in T2 (after he was pushed out by verstappen in T1) where he pushed verstappen out, because he had his nose in ahead at the apex of the T2 lefthander. It's the same thing Lando did in T1 in Monza, nose ahead on the inside.

Kindly make yourselves aware of the rules, and contribute in a discussion with points that carry merit, instead of treating these threads like facebook wall / twitter status, for 'venting'.

[FittingMechanics]

You cant push somebody off track as well. That is a rule. That is what Max did

Yes you can, according to the new stewarding rules, if you have the inside of the corner (front axle ahead of the mirrors of the defending car). The same thing Hamilton did, in this very race, in T2 (after he was pushed out by verstappen in T1) where he pushed verstappen out, because he had his nose in ahead at the apex of the T2 lefthander. It's the same thing Lando did in T1 in Monza, nose ahead on the inside.

Kindly make yourselves aware of the rules, and contribute in a discussion with points that carry merit, instead of treating these threads like facebook wall / twitter status, for 'venting'.

I absolutely hate that rule because it ensures we get people pushed off, meaning we get fewer side by side fights and more complaints about stewards penalizing drivers. Often the driver that was pushed off uses the runoff to stay/go ahead and thus we get all these problems.

I would love to see what would happen if the car on the outside held his line and kept it on track, would a hit from the car on the inside who can't turn harder get penalized as "causing a collision" or would the driver on the outside be expected to yield?

I think Verstappen is master of these rules and if anyone is going to overtake him they will need to either DRS flyby him or be very certain what they will do on the outside.

[ismail1991]

You cant push somebody off track as well. That is a rule. That is what Max did

Yes you can, according to the new stewarding rules, if you have the inside of the corner (front axle ahead of the mirrors of the defending car). The same thing Hamilton did, in this very race, in T2 (after he was pushed out by verstappen in T1) where he pushed verstappen out, because he had his nose in ahead at the apex of the T2 lefthander. It's the same thing Lando did in T1 in Monza, nose ahead on the inside.

Kindly make yourselves aware of the rules, and contribute in a discussion with points that carry merit, instead of treating these threads like facebook wall / twitter status, for 'venting'.

I am sure the same thing will take place against Max soon. You guys will have a totally different point of view then. Just like the time when Russell and Max had their issue

[Francis Bacon]

People who hold the opinion Max did something wrong in T1 should look at the entire start (not only an X clip) and the onboard.
Max was pushed off track and bottomed out on the kerb. He did brake to make the corner, but locked the wheels due to bottoming out. Max was a passenger in the situation.
If you look at the onboard, he gave it his all to not crash and missed the wall by 10 cm briefly before rejoining. He could not have done anything different, he just avoided crashing till that point. When he rejoined he imediately took responsibility and gave back all positions gained unfairly. He did not play games, he did not give the positions back in a tactical spot to gain advantage.
Before being pushed on the kerb, he was a car's length in front of Russell and gaining. Even if Verstappen could have braked for a switchback he would have been in front of Russel.

Max doesn't make mistakes like this. He did what he did knowing he could, "oops," not make the corner, and cut across. He has nothing to lose.

[venkyhere]

You cant push somebody off track as well. That is a rule. That is what Max did

Yes you can, according to the new stewarding rules, if you have the inside of the corner (front axle ahead of the mirrors of the defending car). The same thing Hamilton did, in this very race, in T2 (after he was pushed out by verstappen in T1) where he pushed verstappen out, because he had his nose in ahead at the apex of the T2 lefthander. It's the same thing Lando did in T1 in Monza, nose ahead on the inside.

Kindly make yourselves aware of the rules, and contribute in a discussion with points that carry merit, instead of treating these threads like facebook wall / twitter status, for 'venting'.

I am sure the same thing will take place against Max soon. You guys will have a totally different point of view then. Just like the time when Russell and Max had their issue

What did you mean by 'you guys' ? This is not fan-wars of teenagers on facebook. If you feel hurt because your favourite driver lost out in battle or the driver you hate won in a battle and the stewards responded in a way that didn't comply with your emotional reaction to an incident, keep it to yourself, because I can't see anything other than emotion in your posts regarding this topic so far.