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f1isgood wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 09:08
SB15 wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 02:04
f1isgood wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 01:11
Russell was simply not good enough. Nothing surprising really.
He can only deliver in the clearly best and dominant car. Something like a Lando or a Oscar. But that's alright. That's most drivers anyways.
This has to be a troll account. His team took 5-6 laps after to swap position to overtake Bearman when he had much more pace vs Kimi. Funny how you wrote this deranged comment without realizing Verstappen couldn't get past Bearman either though he was on the better mediums + has the "theoretical" fastest car.
Why was Russell behind Kimi to begin with?

This discussion isn't about Verstappen and actually on the mediums Mercs looked marginally quicker going by FP2 data.

All of Russell's wins have come in a clearly best car. He often gets what the car should get but nothing more. I will not change my opinion of this matter unless there is actual evidence he is any better than I perceive him to be. People can rate him as the best driver on the grid for all I care. That's their opinion this is mine.

Verstappen and Mediums were always going to be trash if you had paid any attention to the data. And Red Bull are not entirely new to being slower than a Haas at Mexico. They were slower than Magnussen last year as well.
Russell was behind Kimi because of the incident with Verstappen and Hamilton. That’s how Bearman got ahead of Verstappen. I don’t know how you’re telling me if I paid attention, Did you?

Your opinion is your opinion, even though it’s incorrect. No way you came here saying that “Russell is only fast when the car is fast” nonsense. No Russell is fast when the tyres work properly, the track temps were at a scorching 52°C. Honestly this race was an outlier race because the track temps were so hot, everyone except for McLaren was struggling massively especially in the 2nd sector. Since the Mercedes doesn’t work well on hotter track temps it was a recipe for disaster. And don’t pay attention to FP2 data, because dirty air is definitely a factor that doesn’t get mentioned much in a worse case scenario for race with tracks temps that were boiling.

I should mention Leclerc because he was very compromised because he had the really hot tyres + doing LiCO.

And what’s this deal about Verstappen on Mediums was going to be trash when he was one of the only drivers to extend for 37+ laps and stay put on the softs with track position? (Which was smart)

Vs. Mercedes who wanted to pit twice and wait another 6-7 laps to swap the cars…When Russell clearly had the pace vs Kimi at that moment? Even the F1 Commentators were wondering what took Merc so long?

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Tonino wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 12:13
George is just too soft and let’s be honest, he’s not on the same level talent-wise as Max. That’s the brutal truth. Max squeezes every last drop of performance out of whatever he’s driving.
Sorry, I have to vehemently disagree - George is anything but 'soft'.
There are three aspects to a driver, the way I picturize it :
1. technical ability , a.k.a 'pure driving talent' = racing lines, ability to adapt to changing track, be at 99.99% limit and not cross over into binning the car.
2. tactical ability a.k.a game-awareness = wheel to wheel racing, car placement in defence/attack, race-reading from the cockpit, spare thinking capacity etc
3. mental robustness a.k.a attitude = not getting disappointed by a bad pitstop, bad tyre choice, being on alternate strategy and watching other fresh-tyred cars overtaking oneself on really old tyres ; a.k.a ability to concentrate, despite the emotions.

From the above three, Russel is 'behind' Max only in 1, w.r.t 2 and 3, he is right up there with Max.
And just so you know the context I come from - I am not a fan of Russel, in fact, I think he is a political snake, I don't really like him, but I respect him as a driver.

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venkyhere wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 15:40
Tonino wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 12:13
George is just too soft and let’s be honest, he’s not on the same level talent-wise as Max. That’s the brutal truth. Max squeezes every last drop of performance out of whatever he’s driving.
Sorry, I have to vehemently disagree - George is anything but 'soft'.
There are three aspects to a driver, the way I picturize it :
1. technical ability , a.k.a 'pure driving talent' = racing lines, ability to adapt to changing track, be at 99.99% limit and not cross over into binning the car.
2. tactical ability a.k.a game-awareness = wheel to wheel racing, car placement in defence/attack, race-reading from the cockpit, spare thinking capacity etc
3. mental robustness a.k.a attitude = not getting disappointed by a bad pitstop, bad tyre choice, being on alternate strategy and watching other fresh-tyred cars overtaking oneself on really old tyres ; a.k.a ability to concentrate, despite the emotions.

From the above three, Russel is 'behind' Max only in 1, w.r.t 2 and 3, he is right up there with Max.
And just so you know the context I come from - I am not a fan of Russel, in fact, I think he is a political snake, I don't really like him, but I respect him as a driver.
What I’m getting at is that many fans do not like Russell for simply being himself. Which is understandable, his personality is extremely strong for most to handle.

So, anyone automatically disliking him isn’t shocking because people with strong personalities comes off as negatively with the mass public.

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SB15 wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 17:30
venkyhere wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 15:40
Tonino wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 12:13
George is just too soft and let’s be honest, he’s not on the same level talent-wise as Max. That’s the brutal truth. Max squeezes every last drop of performance out of whatever he’s driving.
Sorry, I have to vehemently disagree - George is anything but 'soft'.
There are three aspects to a driver, the way I picturize it :
1. technical ability , a.k.a 'pure driving talent' = racing lines, ability to adapt to changing track, be at 99.99% limit and not cross over into binning the car.
2. tactical ability a.k.a game-awareness = wheel to wheel racing, car placement in defence/attack, race-reading from the cockpit, spare thinking capacity etc
3. mental robustness a.k.a attitude = not getting disappointed by a bad pitstop, bad tyre choice, being on alternate strategy and watching other fresh-tyred cars overtaking oneself on really old tyres ; a.k.a ability to concentrate, despite the emotions.

From the above three, Russel is 'behind' Max only in 1, w.r.t 2 and 3, he is right up there with Max.
And just so you know the context I come from - I am not a fan of Russel, in fact, I think he is a political snake, I don't really like him, but I respect him as a driver.
What I’m getting at is that many fans do not like Russell for simply being himself. Which is understandable, his personality is extremely strong for most to handle.

So, anyone automatically disliking him isn’t shocking because people with strong personalities comes off as negatively with the mass public.
I never said I dislike George. I’ve got no problem with him he, seems like a pretty chill guy off the track. I just don’t agree with the comparison to Max. To me, George is missing that extra edge, not just in talent, but in race craft as well.

And just to be clear, I’m not a “driver fan.” I’m a Mercedes fan. I want the team to win that’s all I care about. And to do that, you need the best driver in the car, and that’s Max. It’s not about liking him personally; I just think he’s a step above everyone else talent-wise, including George. If you disagree, that’s fine doesn’t really bother me.

That said, I’d still take George over Lando or Oscar any day. I think he’s the better driver overall. Anyway, next year will show who’s really got it, if we build a car capable of fighting for the title, we will find out how good George really is.

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Mercedes team did the good thing.... they are the only team with "team first" attitude. I really like this...... It is not there with other teams, RB, AM, Ferrari now Mclaren....

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"I didn't know he was asking that on the radio. I just got the information from the team to make the swap into T4, which kind of caught me by surprise initially. But I respect their decision. At least I got the position back. Of course we need to review. Obviously, it's very easy to talk now, but if we would have held position, we probably would have had a better chance to undercut Ollie, and we would have had a better shot to finish maybe P4 and P5."
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“OFFICIAL: 9 out of 10 teams were found compliant with the 2024 budget cap. Only a procedural violation was identified for Aston, which, however, did not exceed the maximum cost limit. All 5 power unit manufacturers are compliant.”

via @SmilexTech of AutoRacer IT

Also confirmed by Adam Cooper.

The Mercedes budget cap violation accusations were premature, to say the least.

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Weather forecast for Sau Paulo looks cool all weekend. Does that bring Mercedes into contention?
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For Mercedes to fight the track should simply only have stop and go corners. Their car and their floor simply does not work across all types of tracks.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Mercedes has had an extremely fast car since the front wing update in Baku. The narrative that car doesn’t work anywhere but cold is out of date.
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AR3-GP wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 14:22
Mercedes has had an extremely fast car since the front wing update in Baku. The narrative that car doesn’t work anywhere but cold is out of date.
True. And before Baku and Singapore it was also fast at Bahrain, Australia, China, Miami and Canada.
Hungary second stint after Ferrari doing Ferrari things it was fast too.

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Yeah it was expected for Mercedes to be competitive here and so far so good. Lagging a bit on the harder compounds, but good lap by Kimi there at the end. Even the last one with that wheelspin out of 12 was faster than George's fastest lap.
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