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Emag wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:19
This car (and the 2024 car also to an extent) is like an anti SF24. They're maybe overheating tires by default, so they need ambient temps to be a little cool to balance it out. In any case, I expect Mercedes to be stronger today & tomorrow just due to conditions. They could get a win here.

But honestly, Pirelli tires have been pure voodoo for a while now, but this year in particular, they just make no sense. I literally hate these tires because they ruin the sport. The only way to consistently win is If you somehow manage to understand what the heck is going on with these tires and figure out how to put them in the optimal window. They're just all over the place. What makes sense in one race, is thrown out of the window in the next one.
Pirelli are ultimately a "victim" of the move to 18" rims, projected before the 2022 season even started, was how it would narrow the operating sphere, and take a premium in just how the suspension design and execution would ask very searching questions of each team. It did just come out like that, in all reality. Possibly an higher absolutely peak, but often rarely available across the necessary bandwidth to make them truly successful.

Primarily, the increased wheel weight that resulted, is causing a reduction of tyre mass in mitigation of the overall total weight. These are so, relatively thin, with the absolute minimum of tread gauge being part of the whole, that temperature variables and sensitivity to that become very critical. That operational "bracket" contracts hugely in comparison to the 13" setup. There's no real way around it .... when asked to perform at their extreme envelope of traction etc. Fall away just a small amount from that ideal, we can all see what happens.
Imperfect geometry, then that too is punished by pointing to the latent faults within suspension and how it presents the tyre to the track surface. As we've seen, this exposes those lacking the technical gravitas to take that fully on board.
There's really and absolutely no where to hide in this era. No pudgy 13" tyre to save face with by deformity in load, tyres with high surface area to mass ratio that are extremely difficult to pull into the "zone" of ideal, then not go far past that target OR fall back out and below same.

Its a joke really, supposedly to follow street car sizing and promote that element, when even the most mundane cars are now on 18 inch rims. It's just as intransigent in road vehicles with the move up into the 20s too, absolutely style over competent function.

Formula one gave itself a question that the majority simple can't answer in all reality.

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OverheatedTurbo wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:34
Emag wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:19
This car (and the 2024 car also to an extent) is like an anti SF24. They're maybe overheating tires by default, so they need ambient temps to be a little cool to balance it out. In any case, I expect Mercedes to be stronger today & tomorrow just due to conditions. They could get a win here.

But honestly, Pirelli tires have been pure voodoo for a while now, but this year in particular, they just make no sense. I literally hate these tires because they ruin the sport. The only way to consistently win is If you somehow manage to understand what the heck is going on with these tires and figure out how to put them in the optimal window. They're just all over the place. What makes sense in one race, is thrown out of the window in the next one.
There’s something within the car’s core design philosophy, that for some reason, puts a lot of energy into the tyres on certain types of corner profiles, less so than the last year’s car at least. Is it inconsistent contact patch with the rears wrt to the asphalt due to df issues in yaw? Not enough air cooling management in the cake tins? Could it be related to suspension stiffness? Only Mercedes knows what the issues are (I hope they do. For their sake)
I still do 100% believe it's those damn wheel covers causing a multitude of issues with tyre temps.

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SB15 wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:02
OverheatedTurbo wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:34
Emag wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:19
This car (and the 2024 car also to an extent) is like an anti SF24. They're maybe overheating tires by default, so they need ambient temps to be a little cool to balance it out. In any case, I expect Mercedes to be stronger today & tomorrow just due to conditions. They could get a win here.

But honestly, Pirelli tires have been pure voodoo for a while now, but this year in particular, they just make no sense. I literally hate these tires because they ruin the sport. The only way to consistently win is If you somehow manage to understand what the heck is going on with these tires and figure out how to put them in the optimal window. They're just all over the place. What makes sense in one race, is thrown out of the window in the next one.
There’s something within the car’s core design philosophy, that for some reason, puts a lot of energy into the tyres on certain types of corner profiles, less so than the last year’s car at least. Is it inconsistent contact patch with the rears wrt to the asphalt due to df issues in yaw? Not enough air cooling management in the cake tins? Could it be related to suspension stiffness? Only Mercedes knows what the issues are (I hope they do. For their sake)
I still do 100% believe it's those damn wheel covers causing a multitude of issues with tyre temps.
At least for next year, they are open somewhat!

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Emag wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:19
This car (and the 2024 car also to an extent) is like an anti SF24. They're maybe overheating tires by default, so they need ambient temps to be a little cool to balance it out. In any case, I expect Mercedes to be stronger today & tomorrow just due to conditions. They could get a win here.
Antonelli almost put it on the sprint pole yesterday in 48 C track temp.
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Not quite, but Antonelli was close for a track he's never driven before.
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Russell needs to lock in already. What a stinker of a Q3 for him.

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Kimi on fire this weekend. I really hope he gets the podium tomorrow.

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Tonino wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 22:34
Kimi on fire this weekend. I really hope he gets the podium tomorrow.
If pace is like today’s sprint he can aim for more than just a podium if he nails the start.
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already using the race set today is not ideal, of course, but for someone complaining this much, he looked resonably fast in Qualifying. Race pace should be good.

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Emag wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 23:17
Tonino wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 22:34
Kimi on fire this weekend. I really hope he gets the podium tomorrow.
If pace is like today’s sprint he can aim for more than just a podium if he nails the start.
Honestly you are making me dream here… but I have to agree with you he was pretty impressive all this weekend and race pace wise also

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MB_Racer wrote:
09 Nov 2025, 15:33
Emag wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 23:17
Tonino wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 22:34
Kimi on fire this weekend. I really hope he gets the podium tomorrow.
If pace is like today’s sprint he can aim for more than just a podium if he nails the start.
Honestly you are making me dream here… but I have to agree with you he was pretty impressive all this weekend and race pace wise also
The car is good in these cold conditions, and Kimi seems to have a good head. He can get a win if he leads into Turn 1.
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f1isgood wrote:
09 Nov 2025, 16:19
The car is good in these cold conditions, and Kimi seems to have a good head. He can get a win if he leads into Turn 1.
ignoring yesterday (when the left side was wetter than the right), P2 has taken the lead in 4 of the last 8 starts around here. So there should be a chance, at least.

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Masterclass by Antonelli to hold that rocketship behind, shown his class today, excited for his next year performance.