2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[JPower]

I would also be unhappy if I gave 100kk (and most likely more) for results worse than Carlos Sainz for 20kk

I think it's still strange to me that Hamilton has done worse than Sainz. I always knew he would lose to Leclerc based on his performance relative to George since late 23. But the gap is very bad. Also, everyone who is not straight up delusional could see that it was never a sporting decision however which makes Elkanns comments even more dumb. I thought Ferrari wanted good marketing and it's no doubt Hamilton that brings the most marketing by far of all the drivers.

Sainz is a very quick driver. His performance against Verstappen(albeit very young), Norris, and Leclerc bears that out.

Given Hamilton's performance against Russell who I deem about equal in ultimate one lap pace, it was pretty clear performance wasn't the sole reason Hamilton was chosen. His organizational experience and marketing potential are far in excess of Sainz despite his apparent gap in performance to Leclerc, so Elkann should be leveraging that instead of pushing back. But what do I know...

[ENGINE TUNER]

Palmer blaming Leclerc for him crashing is absolute madness.

I don’t know why he’s still given platform so he can give bullshit takes.

I don’t think that’s what he said at all. He said it was a racing incident which, as much as it messed up our race, tbh I agree with. Three cars going into the same corner, all of whom had a right to go for it, is just likely to end up in some kind of collision and not all collisions have to result in someone being at fault - it’s racing, it happens.

Not a racing incident, it was a racing accident, unnecessary contract, fully caused by ANT turning down into a car that had been next to him for a couple hundred meters. A racing incident is an unavoidable collision, such as Car A spins, Car B serves to avoid, Car B and C collide while trying to avoid a spinning car A. The term racing incident is far to often wrongly used.

[ENGINE TUNER]

No, Oscar is barely alongside the rear wheel of Antonelli into the braking zone and has 0 rights to the corner. Completely moronic judgement from Oscar who is driving desperately to save his fading WDC hopes. Shame Charles was the victim of it because that was a P2 drive, he was all over Kimi to start that race

He is past the rear wheel, basically in the middle of the car with his fronts and then hits him when Antonelli slightly lifted his braking.

Ultimately, I think blame is 60/40 on Piastri there (the rules do say that Piastri has no right to the corner and should have backed out earlier) but Kimi also drives like no one is there. Just unfortunate for Charles who did literally nothing wrong there, he left an entire car and a half worth of track to Kimi there

The rules are crap, nobody owns the corner when they've been next to each other on the straight for hundreds of meters, both have a responsibility to leave space for each other and there is fully enough space to go thru that corner and the next 2 side by side and even 3 wide.

[f1316]

But he seemed upset about a lack of consideration for the wider brand.

That is and always has been Ferrari senior management's problem. Almost no one gives a crap about their brand, but they have always been unable to grasp that.

That's obviously not true. If "almost no one" cared about the Ferrari brand then why was this whole Hamilton to Ferrari move portrayed as a big deal in the first place? If we exclude the brand synergy between these two parties then all we have is a 40 year old past his prime driver going to a team that hasn't won in 17 years. Without the brand aspect the whole partnership is one big "meh".

Elkann got ticked off when his WEC title win was quickly overshadowed by "Hamilton's Ferrari nightmare". He's paying Lewis for the brand synergy, but if the brands start detracting from one another that money he is spending quickly starts to look really unjustified.

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate ... -year-corp

Yep, no one gives a crap about the brand…

[AR3-GP]

His organizational experience and marketing potential are far in excess of Sainz despite his apparent gap in performance to Leclerc, so Elkann should be leveraging that instead of pushing back. But what do I know...

It's hard for Elkann to do that when Hamilton doesn't have any redeeming results to speak of. Instead of carrying on the momentum from that China Sprint, he's been absent and mistake prone. They are in an impossible situation. Hamilton is there barking orders behind the scenes and airing laundry to the media about Ferrari, but doesn't do anything on the track. The optics are very poor.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Leclerc is in Maranello today

[AR3-GP]

Leclerc is in Maranello today

Are you hoping he went to resign?

[dans79]

But he seemed upset about a lack of consideration for the wider brand.

That is and always has been Ferrari senior management's problem. Almost no one gives a crap about their brand, but they have always been unable to grasp that.

That's obviously not true. If "almost no one" cared about the Ferrari brand then why was this whole Hamilton to Ferrari move portrayed as a big deal in the first place? If we exclude the brand synergy between these two parties then all we have is a 40 year old past his prime driver going to a team that hasn't won in 17 years. Without the brand aspect the whole partnership is one big "meh".

Elkann got ticked off when his WEC title win was quickly overshadowed by "Hamilton's Ferrari nightmare". He's paying Lewis for the brand synergy, but if the brands start detracting from one another that money he is spending quickly starts to look really unjustified.

Go look at the 2020 stock prices. Even with the engine Scandal coming to light, and covid hitting at the same time, the stock price still increased.

I'll say what I've already said the vast majority of people who buy Ferraris don't care about the race team.

Also you are assuming that senior most management has a clue about marketing. A perfect example of Senior Management not having a clue, would be the Cracker Barrel rebrand.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Are you hoping he went to resign?

I was thinking more along the lines of he's back to the 2026 sim, but if he wants to quit the team I wouldn't blame him

[yooogurt]

From the reports that I can find, Ferrari's company value jumped by $7 billion when Lewis was announced from $62 billion, to $69 billion. Currently they're valued at around £73 billion. There are also reports I found that HP signed their deal as a result of Ferrari singing Hamilton.

So arguably, from a purely business POV, he was worth it even given his poorer than expected on track performance.

It was because of Ferrari's quarterly report, with excellent results and prediction, and not because of Hamilton.

[yooogurt]

Are you hoping he went to resign?

BBC’s Andrew Benson reports Hamilton’s deal runs until the end of 2027 and Leclerc’s until 2029.

[f1isgood]

I would also be unhappy if I gave 100kk (and most likely more) for results worse than Carlos Sainz for 20kk

I think it's still strange to me that Hamilton has done worse than Sainz. I always knew he would lose to Leclerc based on his performance relative to George since late 23. But the gap is very bad. Also, everyone who is not straight up delusional could see that it was never a sporting decision however which makes Elkanns comments even more dumb. I thought Ferrari wanted good marketing and it's no doubt Hamilton that brings the most marketing by far of all the drivers.

Sainz is a very quick driver. His performance against Verstappen(albeit very young), Norris, and Leclerc bears that out.

Given Hamilton's performance against Russell who I deem about equal in ultimate one lap pace, it was pretty clear performance wasn't the sole reason Hamilton was chosen. His organizational experience and marketing potential are far in excess of Sainz despite his apparent gap in performance to Leclerc, so Elkann should be leveraging that instead of pushing back. But what do I know...

Sainz is definitely a decent driver. In the end I don't think Sainz to Williams and Hamilton to Ferrari has panned out well for the drivers. Sainz's reputation has certainly taken a hit with Albon being close enough and ahead significantly on points. If the performance doesn't change much by middle of next year, serious questions will need to be asked about the management.

[deadhead]

Are you hoping he went to resign?

BBC’s Andrew Benson reports Hamilton’s deal runs until the end of 2027 and Leclerc’s until 2029.

I can’t be sure but I think Leclerc’s deal runs through 2027 with an option to extend based on some performance clause which I would assume is more about the car but not sure

[Xyz22]

Are you hoping he went to resign?

BBC’s Andrew Benson reports Hamilton’s deal runs until the end of 2027 and Leclerc’s until 2029.

It's already confirmed that there are multiple exit clause and options to exit from these contracts way earlier, especially for Leclerc.
Anyway Perez must be absolutely shocked after trying the SF 23 today

[SoulPancake13]

Are you hoping he went to resign?

BBC’s Andrew Benson reports Hamilton’s deal runs until the end of 2027 and Leclerc’s until 2029.

It's already confirmed that there are multiple exit clause and options to exit from these contracts way earlier, especially for Leclerc.
Anyway Perez must be absolutely shocked after trying the SF 23 today

Then imagine what Checo must think after realizing Charles occasionally beat him in that car while he had the RB19...