2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[JPower]

You guys have a very romantic view of things.

Even at Red Bull, where Newey worked, Perez has said several times that he was never listened to. Hamilton, when he was at Mercedes, also complained a lot about never being listened to, etc., etc., etc...

It's a human thing. Almost all the car's behavior is in the telemetry data; most engineers will believe the telemetry more than the drivers' words, for ego reasons.

And this happens even with race engineers when setting up the car, so imagine what happens with the high-level engineers responsible for the car design...

Nonsense.

[Badger]

I think you missunderstand the role the driver plays in a team. He IS a central peice and will be exposed to all departments and how they work. He will be called to test developments he will be aware or wind tunnel runs and upgrades coming to the car. He will be in meetings with the designers.

There are people who have an unbiased view while being more connected than any of us here, and many credible ones pretty much agree with my thoughts. Ferrari should wise-up and start making ever effort to consider what Hamilton is saying about how a winning team should be!


https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-m ... o-cigarini

Cigarini is convinced that Hamilton can be Ferrari’s Michael Schumacher 2.0, but only if he is allowed to shape the team’s direction.

“Hamilton brings knowledge and organisation typical of British teams, which are highly structured and different from Ferrari,” said Cigarini.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/juan-pabl ... port-tools

“The faster Ferrari’s team and engineers listen to Hamilton on how to make the car better, the better it will be for the team in the long term.”

I'm surprised you are failing to see this. Or are you turning away from a bitter medicine?

Unless what he is saying is credible feedback on the car’s behaviour on track, they should ignore him completely and trust the engineers to do engineering. To see examples of “driver engineering” from recent times, one needs only to look back to last year at Mercedes. They were bending over backwards to accommodate things like the seat position and it had zero impact on Hamilton’s performance. He was actually worse compared to George after they “fixed” that for him, and the car was hardly competitive either. Ferrari would be making a fatal mistake by treating his suggestions as relevant feedback when in reality they have turned out to be excuses.

Ferrari need to resist the urge of placating Hamilton and his fans, and they need to do what they think is best based on their engineering knowledge, of which Hamilton has none.

[Luscion]

I think you missunderstand the role the driver plays in a team. He IS a central peice and will be exposed to all departments and how they work. He will be called to test developments he will be aware or wind tunnel runs and upgrades coming to the car. He will be in meetings with the designers.

There are people who have an unbiased view while being more connected than any of us here, and many credible ones pretty much agree with my thoughts. Ferrari should wise-up and start making ever effort to consider what Hamilton is saying about how a winning team should be!


https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-m ... o-cigarini

Cigarini is convinced that Hamilton can be Ferrari’s Michael Schumacher 2.0, but only if he is allowed to shape the team’s direction.

“Hamilton brings knowledge and organisation typical of British teams, which are highly structured and different from Ferrari,” said Cigarini.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/juan-pabl ... port-tools

“The faster Ferrari’s team and engineers listen to Hamilton on how to make the car better, the better it will be for the team in the long term.”

I'm surprised you are failing to see this. Or are you turning away from a bitter medicine?

Unless what he is saying is credible feedback on the car’s behaviour on track, they should ignore him completely and trust the engineers to do engineering. To see examples of “driver engineering” from recent times, one needs only to look back to last year at Mercedes. They were bending over backwards to accommodate things like the seat position and it had zero impact on Hamilton’s performance. He was actually worse compared to George after they “fixed” that for him, and the car was hardly competitive either. Ferrari would be making a fatal mistake by treating his suggestions as relevant feedback when in reality they have turned out to be excuses.

Ferrari need to resist the urge of placating Hamilton and his fans, and they need to do what they think is best based on their engineering knowledge, of which Hamilton has none.

Francesco Cigarini who i believe was a mechanic during the Schumi era says Ferrari should listen to his input

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-m ... o-cigarini

[Badger]

Unless what he is saying is credible feedback on the car’s behaviour on track, they should ignore him completely and trust the engineers to do engineering. To see examples of “driver engineering” from recent times, one needs only to look back to last year at Mercedes. They were bending over backwards to accommodate things like the seat position and it had zero impact on Hamilton’s performance. He was actually worse compared to George after they “fixed” that for him, and the car was hardly competitive either. Ferrari would be making a fatal mistake by treating his suggestions as relevant feedback when in reality they have turned out to be excuses.

Ferrari need to resist the urge of placating Hamilton and his fans, and they need to do what they think is best based on their engineering knowledge, of which Hamilton has none.

Francesco Cigarini who i believe was a mechanic during the Schumi era says Ferrari should listen to his input

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-m ... o-cigarini

So if Lewis says they should do something and the engineering team disagrees you think they should go with Lewis' suggestion?

[Luscion]

Unless what he is saying is credible feedback on the car’s behaviour on track, they should ignore him completely and trust the engineers to do engineering. To see examples of “driver engineering” from recent times, one needs only to look back to last year at Mercedes. They were bending over backwards to accommodate things like the seat position and it had zero impact on Hamilton’s performance. He was actually worse compared to George after they “fixed” that for him, and the car was hardly competitive either. Ferrari would be making a fatal mistake by treating his suggestions as relevant feedback when in reality they have turned out to be excuses.

Ferrari need to resist the urge of placating Hamilton and his fans, and they need to do what they think is best based on their engineering knowledge, of which Hamilton has none.

Francesco Cigarini who i believe was a mechanic during the Schumi era says Ferrari should listen to his input

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-m ... o-cigarini

So if Lewis says they should do something and the engineering team disagrees you think they should go with Lewis' suggestion?

I didnt say any of that, you said they should ignore him completely, im showing that a long time ferrari mechanic says they should listen to some of his input

[Badger]

Francesco Cigarini who i believe was a mechanic during the Schumi era says Ferrari should listen to his input

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-m ... o-cigarini

So if Lewis says they should do something and the engineering team disagrees you think they should go with Lewis' suggestion?

I didnt say any of that, you said they should ignore him completely, im showing that a long time ferrari mechanic says they should listen to some of his input

I didn't say they should ignore him completely. I said they should listen to his feeback on the limitations of the car on track, but it's up to the engineers on how to solve it. They should ignore him completely on engineering solutions, yes.

[RonMexico]

In general I think the driver is vastly overstated in the development process, only because we as fans have an attachment to them. The job of the driver in terms of development is to provide reliable feedback about the limitations of the car on track, and to have a practical understanding of how to set up the car. Beyond that development is basically all engineering.

How can a driver come up with constructive criticism on the allocation of resources and personnel when they don't have a proper understanding on what those resources and personnel are actually doing? It just becomes a guessing game. F1 engineering is high science done by the academically gifted, F1 driving is repetitive grunt work done by people who barely graduated high school. There's little common understanding there, just common goals.

Did you know that Michael Schumacher was the one that came up with the idea to measure minimum speeds in the turns? He asked for a little digital display on his steering that clipped at the lowest speed when he goes through each corner. He didn't have to be an engineer to come up with that did he? I hope you understand what we mean when we say a clever driver with all-round experience can have a driect impact into the performance of processes into the car and around the car.

It was an analogue display. He also invented the blown diffuser and told Rory Byrne how to draw it. Pneumatic valves for V10 engines was his development also.

I hope Hamilton is on a short leash next year and they can get out of his albatross of a contract.

[SiLo]

It was an analogue display. He also invented the blown diffuser and told Rory Byrne how to draw it. Pneumatic valves for V10 engines was his development also.

I hope Hamilton is on a short leash next year and they can get out of his albatross of a contract.

I can't tell if this is satire.

[dans79]

So if Lewis says they should do something and the engineering team disagrees you think they should go with Lewis' suggestion?

What exactly is your problem?