2025 Las Vegas Grand Prix - Las Vegas Strip, Nov 21 - 23

[FittingMechanics]

It's obvious that FIA is letting this one go as a favor to McLaren.

They had to allow Red Bull break the cost cap because of their change of engine due to perfomance reasons

so now you should prepare for all decisions to go in McLaren favor.

Max beware.

/half s

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What do you mean? Break the costcap?

Mekies said they did not change Max's engine for reliability reasons.

FIA/Tombazis said they trust the teams when they say it is due to reliability, meaning it does not count toward the cost cap in that case.

But since Red Bull said it was not for reliability it should count toward the cost cap and with it being so late in the season it probably means they are over the cap.

If you believe in conspiracies, McLaren/others will be rewarded to counteract this.

But FIA will let it slide (forget about Mekies saying the truth) because it would be a huge mess if in 12 months time they need to penalize Red Bull.

[Mogster]

Why did Mekies not just say the usual thing, we changed the engine because we’d seen something of concern in the data?

Anyway, great performance by Norris

[FittingMechanics]

Why did Mekies not just say the usual thing, we changed the engine because we’d seen something of concern in the data?

Anyway, great performance by Norris

He will next time. Lesson learned.

Bit FIA will let it slide. Maybe there would be a bigger problem if Verstappen won the WDC but this seems unlikely.

[Wouter]

It's obvious that FIA is letting this one go as a favor to McLaren.

They had to allow Red Bull break the cost cap because of their change of engine due to perfomance reasons

so now you should prepare for all decisions to go in McLaren favor.

Max beware.

/half s

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What do you mean? Break the costcap?

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Mekies said they did not change Max's engine for reliability reasons.

FIA/Tombazis said they trust the teams when they say it is due to reliability, meaning it does not count toward the cost cap in that case.

But since Red Bull said it was not for reliability it should count toward the cost cap and with it being so late in the season it probably means they are over the cap.

If you believe in conspiracies, McLaren/others will be rewarded to counteract this.

But FIA will let it slide (forget about Mekies saying the truth) because it would be a huge mess if in 12 months time they need to penalize Red Bull.

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Do you work at RBR? Do you know how much money they've already spent under the Budget Cap?
Do you know they're out of money? Thanks for sharing that with us, as an insider!

So if Max or Yuki suffer serious damage in the Las Vegas GP, it can't be repaired because they've run out of money for new parts.
I didn't know that either. Thanks for the reliable information.

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Tires left and strategy ideas:




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I guess a lot will depend a lot on the mediums graining or not. No one really did a run long enough in practice, so some could be caught by surprise. McLaren still more likely than others, I would assume, even if they improved compared to last year.

Hards should be fine, so key is get into position early on.

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Haven’t seen anything from the FIA yet on any of the matters

So maybe the FIA ​​have no issues with Lando and they saw that he lifted his foot under the yellow flags and his lap time was improved before them.

I just watched the AMuS update from today on Youtube, and Schmidt said that before Qualifying the FIA notified all teams of slightly eased yellow rules today. Otherwise "no one" would have got a lap in.

[venkyhere]

for tomorrow's race, assuming no one in the front 2-3 rows have a bad launch, picturize the events that occur before T1 is reached :
Max and Lando fight for lead, Max on the inside, wants to lets go of brakes at the 'apex' of T1 U-turn and wash wide, and push Lando out of track limits on the outside. Osama, starting from P4, expects the above to happen and hugs the inside kerb all the way till the apex of the T1 U-turn, trying to go P1 before the cars reach T3.

What happens in T1 ? want to see how many of us get our prediction right..

[AR3-GP]

for tomorrow's race, assuming no one in the front 2-3 rows have a bad launch, picturize the events that occur before T1 is reached :
Max and Lando fight for lead, Max on the inside, wants to lets go of brakes at the 'apex' of T1 U-turn and wash wide, and push Lando out of track limits on the outside. Osama, starting from P4, expects the above to happen and hugs the inside kerb all the way till the apex of the T1 U-turn, trying to go P1 before the cars reach T3.

What happens in T1 ? want to see how many of us get our prediction right..

There is no grip off the racing line because of all the rain. Verstappen discussed this right after qualifying. Even side are sitting ducks (like Singapore) therefore Verstappen will be defending from Sainz at the start. Top 3 will start on softs. Russell will start on mediums and try to drive further than Verstappen and Norris.

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There is no grip off the racing line because of all the rain. Verstappen discussed this right after qualifying. Even side are sitting ducks therefore Verstappen will be defending from Sainz at the start. Top 3 will start on softs. Russell will start on mediums.

why would there be grip on the racing line, though? Only cars on track before F1 is normal city traffic.

edit: ah okay, there's another F1 Academy race to come up. Missed that. Still think grip will likely be pretty bad everywhere

[FittingMechanics]

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What do you mean? Break the costcap?

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Mekies said they did not change Max's engine for reliability reasons.

FIA/Tombazis said they trust the teams when they say it is due to reliability, meaning it does not count toward the cost cap in that case.

But since Red Bull said it was not for reliability it should count toward the cost cap and with it being so late in the season it probably means they are over the cap.

If you believe in conspiracies, McLaren/others will be rewarded to counteract this.

But FIA will let it slide (forget about Mekies saying the truth) because it would be a huge mess if in 12 months time they need to penalize Red Bull.

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Do you work at RBR? Do you know how much money they've already spent under the Budget Cap?
Do you know they're out of money? Thanks for sharing that with us, as an insider!

So if Max or Yuki suffer serious damage in the Las Vegas GP, it can't be repaired because they've run out of money for new parts.
I didn't know that either. Thanks for the reliable information.

Parts would have been already manufactured so cost to put a part on car is 0. Also they could use old parts if they are close to the cap. All of this is calculated in advance. Quite a stupid comparison.

New engine is about 2 million on a 140M cost cap. I would be very surprised if Red Bull has that much free room in the cost cap. But maybe, if that is the case they can easily say we have the room in the cap.

[Farnborough]

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Mekies said they did not change Max's engine for reliability reasons.

FIA/Tombazis said they trust the teams when they say it is due to reliability, meaning it does not count toward the cost cap in that case.

But since Red Bull said it was not for reliability it should count toward the cost cap and with it being so late in the season it probably means they are over the cap.

If you believe in conspiracies, McLaren/others will be rewarded to counteract this.

But FIA will let it slide (forget about Mekies saying the truth) because it would be a huge mess if in 12 months time they need to penalize Red Bull.

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Do you work at RBR? Do you know how much money they've already spent under the Budget Cap?
Do you know they're out of money? Thanks for sharing that with us, as an insider!

So if Max or Yuki suffer serious damage in the Las Vegas GP, it can't be repaired because they've run out of money for new parts.
I didn't know that either. Thanks for the reliable information.

Parts would have been already manufactured so cost to put a part on car is 0. Also they could use old parts if they are close to the cap. All of this is calculated in advance. Quite a stupid comparison.

New engine is about 2 million on a 140M cost cap. I would be very surprised if Red Bull has that much free room in the cost cap. But maybe, if that is the case they can easily say we have the room in the cap.

I understand this to be wrong. Stock held in "stores" doesn't come into cost cap unless it's used at a race weekend. Accurate recording of this handling has to take place in understanding just where inventory has been deployed, or returned to stock without any use to calculate the balance within rules.
Obviously, research within aero cap is accounted for separately in forming that design, with items subsequently manufactured from this action acounted for under another area.

There's much nuance within the rules to facilitate different actions, along with personnel to maintain adherence.

[Mezger]

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Do you work at RBR? Do you know how much money they've already spent under the Budget Cap?

They will probably reduce the catering bill and have spam instead of prosciutto
Do you know they're out of money? Thanks for sharing that with us, as an insider!

So if Max or Yuki suffer serious damage in the Las Vegas GP, it can't be repaired because they've run out of money for new parts.
I didn't know that either. Thanks for the reliable information.

Parts would have been already manufactured so cost to put a part on car is 0. Also they could use old parts if they are close to the cap. All of this is calculated in advance. Quite a stupid comparison.

New engine is about 2 million on a 140M cost cap. I would be very surprised if Red Bull has that much free room in the cost cap. But maybe, if that is the case they can easily say we have the room in the cap.

I understand this to be wrong. Stock held in "stores" doesn't come into cost cap unless it's used at a race weekend. Accurate recording of this handling has to take place in understanding just where inventory has been deployed, or returned to stock without any use to calculate the balance within rules.
Obviously, research within aero cap is accounted for separately in forming that design, with items subsequently manufactured from this action acounted for under another area.

There's much nuance within the rules to facilitate different actions, along with personnel to maintain adherence.

[Mezger]

They will probably reduce the catering bill by having spam instead of prosciutto

[karana]

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Do you work at RBR? Do you know how much money they've already spent under the Budget Cap?
Do you know they're out of money? Thanks for sharing that with us, as an insider!

So if Max or Yuki suffer serious damage in the Las Vegas GP, it can't be repaired because they've run out of money for new parts.
I didn't know that either. Thanks for the reliable information.

Parts would have been already manufactured so cost to put a part on car is 0. Also they could use old parts if they are close to the cap. All of this is calculated in advance. Quite a stupid comparison.

New engine is about 2 million on a 140M cost cap. I would be very surprised if Red Bull has that much free room in the cost cap. But maybe, if that is the case they can easily say we have the room in the cap.

I understand this to be wrong. Stock held in "stores" doesn't come into cost cap unless it's used at a race weekend. Accurate recording of this handling has to take place in understanding just where inventory has been deployed, or returned to stock without any use to calculate the balance within rules.
Obviously, research within aero cap is accounted for separately in forming that design, with items subsequently manufactured from this action acounted for under another area.

There's much nuance within the rules to facilitate different actions, along with personnel to maintain adherence.

There are three categories, used inventories, unused inventories and redundant inventories. Only items of used and redundant inventories count towards the cap.

Here is the definition of Redundant Inventories from the financial regulations:

"Redundant Inventories" means Inventories held at the end of the Reporting Period but not held for
future use in respect of the F1 Team’s Current Cars or any cars intended for future participation in the
Championship, as:
(i) they are damaged or destroyed;
(ii) they are obsolete; or
(iii) the F1 Team determine they will not be used in the future in respect of the F1 Team’s
Current Cars or any cars intended for future participation in the Championship.

Basically, everything that is made will eventually count towards the cap. As parts for the 2025 car most likely won't be used in the future, they can't be classified as unused and therefore will count towards the 2025 cap, regardless of whether they are used or not.

[Vettel165]

Max to win this race, Norris DNF the gap goes down to 24 points . Game on with 2 races to go, yes I can dream.