2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Best possible result I think. P3 isn't bad on this track. McLaren is rapid...

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Was hoping for a miracle after S2 but that would have been a bit too much πŸ˜€
Good result

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Valeo wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:09
Was hoping for a miracle after S2 but that would have been a bit too much πŸ˜€
Good result
Left front was dying in the final sector, they were trying to manage tires throughout qualy, final lap was the best compromise. If Max had enough for sector 3 might have been close to pushing Lando to P3 but this was better than I was expecting, MERC seemed to have similar tire troubles like RBR.

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P3 best possible result. Mclaren is simply too fast, that's the reality.

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euv2 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:15
Valeo wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:09
Was hoping for a miracle after S2 but that would have been a bit too much πŸ˜€
Good result
Left front was dying in the final sector, they were trying to manage tires throughout qualy, final lap was the best compromise. If Max had enough for sector 3 might have been close to pushing Lando to P3 but this was better than I was expecting, MERC seemed to have similar tire troubles like RBR.
I don't think so. McLaren just seems faster than anyone else in S3, by 1,5 - 2 tenths. The wing they run seems more efficient for that sector.

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Max outperformed the potential of the car as Russell underperformed. Best possible result.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Softs are just very bad on this red bull, the car is starting to slide in the corners. Mclaren is much better on the soft tyres, less deg. Like I said Red Bull had this problem for the entire year, the mediums and hards just work better. In the last races we had a better race pace car then qualy. I am happy with P3, right behind Lando. It was the maximum today.

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Vettel165 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:21
Softs are just very bad on this red bull, the car is starting to slide in the corners. Mclaren is much better on the soft tyres, less deg. Like I said Red Bull had this problem for the entire year, the mediums and hards just work better. In the last races we had a better race pace car then qualy. I am happy with P3, right behind Lando. It was the maximum today.
The softs are different every week so unless you are saying the C3 tyre has been bad for RB all year then I have no idea what you're talking about. To me this result seems normal, the McLaren is the better car and this track really suits them.

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As I kept saying in this thread before the race weekend, RB21 isn't the fastest in high speed corners ON A HIGH-DF track. Forget the understeer inducing S2, when McLaren went full monty in S3, we saw how much better it is through the entire S3 - iirc, they were pulling 0.2s atleast, in S3 alone. If anyone is going to bed today and dream of an 'overtake' on the McLarens, rest assured, that's not happening, Max won't be able to keep up with them in S3 - without that there is not even a remote chance for a DRS pass. With more fuel and more deg on tyres, the deficit in S3 will keep growing. I think tomorrow's race for Max is about two things :
- try to scare them at the start and see if one position can be gained in T1
- try to keep Russel behind
'that improbable WDC chance' -- it's over guys.

Personally, I am disappointed that AbuDhabi will be a dead rubber - Norris will just need to finish above P4, and won't bother whether Piastri wins the race or not.
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Badger wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:18
euv2 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:15
Valeo wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:09
Was hoping for a miracle after S2 but that would have been a bit too much πŸ˜€
Good result
Left front was dying in the final sector, they were trying to manage tires throughout qualy, final lap was the best compromise. If Max had enough for sector 3 might have been close to pushing Lando to P3 but this was better than I was expecting, MERC seemed to have similar tire troubles like RBR.
I don't think so. McLaren just seems faster than anyone else in S3, by 1,5 - 2 tenths. The wing they run seems more efficient for that sector.
Yeah, MCL running slightly higher DF, Max was slightly closer in sprint qualy yesterday 0.12 vs 0.17s today. I was going off by Max's comments to GP citing the same.

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euv2 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:29
Badger wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:18
euv2 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:15


Left front was dying in the final sector, they were trying to manage tires throughout qualy, final lap was the best compromise. If Max had enough for sector 3 might have been close to pushing Lando to P3 but this was better than I was expecting, MERC seemed to have similar tire troubles like RBR.
I don't think so. McLaren just seems faster than anyone else in S3, by 1,5 - 2 tenths. The wing they run seems more efficient for that sector.
Yeah, MCL running slightly higher DF, Max was slightly closer in sprint qualy yesterday 0.12 vs 0.17s today. I was going off by Max's comments to GP citing the same.
S3 isn't about high downforce, it's about efficient downforce. McLaren has less drag with the wing closed than RB, but they have just as much if not more downforce. RB lacks efficiency and dare I say a bit of grunt.

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Badger wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:32
euv2 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:29
Badger wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:18

I don't think so. McLaren just seems faster than anyone else in S3, by 1,5 - 2 tenths. The wing they run seems more efficient for that sector.
Yeah, MCL running slightly higher DF, Max was slightly closer in sprint qualy yesterday 0.12 vs 0.17s today. I was going off by Max's comments to GP citing the same.
S3 isn't about high downforce, it's about efficient downforce. McLaren has less drag with the wing closed than RB, but they have just as much if not more downforce. RB lacks efficiency and dare I say a bit of grunt.
Think Red bull got a bit out developed on rear wings. Most top teams brough spoon shaped RWs and for this DF range they seem to do better but Red bull stayed with the old design.

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euv2 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:46
Badger wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:32
euv2 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:29

Yeah, MCL running slightly higher DF, Max was slightly closer in sprint qualy yesterday 0.12 vs 0.17s today. I was going off by Max's comments to GP citing the same.
S3 isn't about high downforce, it's about efficient downforce. McLaren has less drag with the wing closed than RB, but they have just as much if not more downforce. RB lacks efficiency and dare I say a bit of grunt.
Think Red bull got a bit out developed on rear wings. Most top teams brough spoon shaped RWs and for this DF range they seem to do better but Red bull stayed with the old design.
Red Bull these regulations have been looking like a fool whenever it has come to wings.
Call a spade, a spade.

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f1isgood wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:51
euv2 wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:46
Badger wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2025, 21:32

S3 isn't about high downforce, it's about efficient downforce. McLaren has less drag with the wing closed than RB, but they have just as much if not more downforce. RB lacks efficiency and dare I say a bit of grunt.
Think Red bull got a bit out developed on rear wings. Most top teams brough spoon shaped RWs and for this DF range they seem to do better but Red bull stayed with the old design.
Red Bull these regulations have been looking like a fool whenever it has come to wings.
Initially Red bull were the best, they had the highest efficiency and biggest DRS gain but most teams started copying their design and the gap became nonexistent. Only at the end of 24 season did MCL and FER experiment with the new spoon designs, and they seemed to have worked well for med and med-high configs.

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Right from 2022, Redbull has focussed only on the floor. It's only in 2025 that they have considered rear wings to the importance it gets in other teams. How many floor revisions has the team had, since 2022 ? 20 ? 30 ?