2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[venkyhere]

Who are 'they' ?
Anyway, I am not 'they', I am speaking after actual observation of the body language of the car, onboards etc over the past few years. Hamilton is not driving to the limits of grip that he was so effectively doing in the flat floor era. He may have won races, finished on the podium etc in 2022,23&24 ; but in none of them was he driving 'to the limit', it was either because the Mercedes was the fastest (conditions/setup wise) car on the day, and driving up to 98%(say) of the limit was enough, or because competitors who had a good car made mistakes or both. If he was able to 'properly adapt' he would have actually won far more races with Mercedes itself.

Strange thing to say that he wasn't driving on the limit when he had dangerous rivals in equal cars. Nico 2014 to 2016, Vettel 2017, 2018, Verstappen 2021. In these years Lewis and the rival tore away from the rest of the field. If that's not driving on the limit, I'm not sure what is.

Please read again. I was talking about ground effect era.

If the guy says he doesn't like thos generation of car, why don't you believe him? Who else should be believed?!

LOL back.
I only said his default driving technique (combined entry with hard/late braking) was deficient to driving GE cars. Which part of my post said that I reject Hamilton's claim that he doesn't like GE cars ? Please point it to me. I fully believe him, btw.

[deadhead]

It’s just strange that he wasn’t able to adapt for 4 years! that’s a long time to figure things out and change whatever it is that needs to change in order to extract the maximum out of the package.

[Jdn1327]

Who are 'they' ?
Anyway, I am not 'they', I am speaking after actual observation of the body language of the car, onboards etc over the past few years. Hamilton is not driving to the limits of grip that he was so effectively doing in the flat floor era. He may have won races, finished on the podium etc in 2022,23&24 ; but in none of them was he driving 'to the limit', it was either because the Mercedes was the fastest (conditions/setup wise) car on the day, and driving up to 98%(say) of the limit was enough, or because competitors who had a good car made mistakes or both. If he was able to 'properly adapt' he would have actually won far more races with Mercedes itself.

Strange thing to say that he wasn't driving on the limit when he had dangerous rivals in equal cars. Nico 2014 to 2016, Vettel 2017, 2018, Verstappen 2021. In these years Lewis and the rival tore away from the rest of the field. If that's not driving on the limit, I'm not sure what is.

Please read again. I was talking about ground effect era.

If the guy says he doesn't like thos generation of car, why don't you believe him? Who else should be believed?!

LOL back.
I only said his default driving technique (combined entry with hard/late braking) was deficient to driving GE cars. Which part of my post said that I reject Hamilton's claim that he doesn't like GE cars ? Please point it to me. I fully believe him, btw.

I think you're being far too kind to the alleged 7 time wdc. Doesn't matter what generation of car it is. A good driver must always adapt.

[PlatinumZealot]

Lewis is emtionally senstivie. No championship capable car then he won't be bothered. Can't blame the guy.

Charlese always gives 100% on the other hand. I hope he gets the championship fighting car he deserves soon and very soon.

[deadhead]

Lewis is emtionally senstivie. No championship capable car then he won't be bothered. Can't blame the guy.

Charlese always gives 100% on the other hand. I hope he gets the championship fighting car he deserves soon and very soon.

So if Hamilton never got a championship winning car in his career he wouldn’t bother driving to the limit of whatever car he was driving?

[basti313]

Lewis is emtionally senstivie. No championship capable car then he won't be bothered. Can't blame the guy.

Charlese always gives 100% on the other hand. I hope he gets the championship fighting car he deserves soon and very soon.

So if Hamilton never got a championship winning car in his career he wouldn’t bother driving to the limit of whatever car he was driving?

I think this is a wrong interpretation. He always came back, see years like 2009 to 2012, and won a race while obviously not being super motivated over the season. Or against Bottas, it seemed like some times just not giving a s***.
But he was always "there" at some point. Not so much this season though...

[Badger]

Lewis is emtionally senstivie. No championship capable car then he won't be bothered. Can't blame the guy.

When you are being paid an insane amount of money you can blame the guy for not giving it his all.

[BassVirolla]

Lewis is emtionally senstivie. No championship capable car then he won't be bothered. Can't blame the guy.

Charlese always gives 100% on the other hand. I hope he gets the championship fighting car he deserves soon and very soon.

So if Hamilton never got a championship winning car in his career he wouldn’t bother driving to the limit of whatever car he was driving?

There are (or were) another drivers relentlessly, constantly and confidently fighting for what they think they deserve: Hulk, Alonso, Sainz, Webber, Coulthard, Massa... (Note: not judging skills, but self confidence)

Simply put, Hamilton doesn't seem like these tough characters.

I seriously doubt that Hamilton would, at any point in his career, race 10 years without a championship. Even more, I start to seriously think that, if he doesn't win in '26, he would retire at the end of the season.

[ScuderiaLeo]

As expected they look to be really struggling in the medium speed corners. Lots of little mistakes here and there as they struggle to get a handle on the car, especially in the 2nd half of the lap. And it doesn't seem like the race or qualifying pace are anything noteable.

[Luscion]

didnt watch leclerc's onboard but it seems the car is competitive in the first two sectors then bleeds a huge chunk of time in the third because its sliding in every corner there

[Wynters]

Well, that's that put to bed. All the evidence says the Hamilton is a fraud who would never be able to beat a decent team mate. He is fundamentally unable to adjust his driving style. He never puts in any effort or does any work. He's no idea what goes on outside of the car and no idea what goes on inside of the car either.

I think you're being far too kind to the alleged 7 time wdc. Doesn't matter what generation of car it is. A good driver must always adapt.

As Jdn1327 so accurately put it, he's a bad driver and he's only an 'alleged' WDC. In fact, he's probably never even actually won a race.

Simply put, Hamilton doesn't seem like these tough characters.

As BassVirolla so intelligently puts it, Hamilton is weak. He's had it easy since the start. He's not like all those children of millionaires who have to constantly struggle to even find the time and money to race Karts. He's not like the children of former drivers as he can rely on his surname to simply open doors whilst those people like Ralf Schumacher, Bruno Senna, etc have to fight tooth and nail to get a foot in the door of racing. Unlike the overwhleming majority of drivers, he's never had to face any sort of racism that might hold him back. He's always had easy success too. He's never had to go through any regulation changes. Never had any inter-team battles. He's never had to fight until the last race of a season to try and win something. He's certainly never had FIA rulings or anything else go against him. It's always been super easy for him. You look at his history and the first words that spring to mind are definitely "not tough".

I bet, if you took at all the World Drivers Champions going back to say...2005 and put them in the same (or similar speed) car to Hamilton, Hamilton wouldn't even win a single race against them, even at his 'alleged' 'peak'. Alonso, Vettel, Button, Rosberg, Verstappen...they'd all beat him easily in comparable cars. I'm super confident in that bet because of the endless posts in this forum constantly hammering home how weak and terrible this 'alleged' race driver is. And this is a Technical forum, so all of this will definitely be backed up by robust evidence.

There. It's settled. Now, can we please just have one thread where fans of the Ferrari team can go to find and discuss Ferrari Team news without this dead horse being beaten on pretty much every one of the next 482 pages too?

[Hammerfist]

Well, that's that put to bed. All the evidence says the Hamilton is a fraud who would never be able to beat a decent team mate. He is fundamentally unable to adjust his driving style. He never puts in any effort or does any work. He's no idea what goes on outside of the car and no idea what goes on inside of the car either.

I think you're being far too kind to the alleged 7 time wdc. Doesn't matter what generation of car it is. A good driver must always adapt.

As Jdn1327 so accurately put it, he's a bad driver and he's only an 'alleged' WDC. In fact, he's probably never even actually won a race.

Simply put, Hamilton doesn't seem like these tough characters.

As BassVirolla so intelligently puts it, Hamilton is weak. He's had it easy since the start. He's not like all those children of millionaires who have to constantly struggle to even find the time and money to race Karts. He's not like the children of former drivers as he can rely on his surname to simply open doors whilst those people like Ralf Schumacher, Bruno Senna, etc have to fight tooth and nail to get a foot in the door of racing. Unlike the overwhleming majority of drivers, he's never had to face any sort of racism that might hold him back. He's always had easy success too. He's never had to go through any regulation changes. Never had any inter-team battles. He's never had to fight until the last race of a season to try and win something. He's certainly never had FIA rulings or anything else go against him. It's always been super easy for him. You look at his history and the first words that spring to mind are definitely "not tough".

I bet, if you took at all the World Drivers Champions going back to say...2005 and put them in the same (or similar speed) car to Hamilton, Hamilton wouldn't even win a single race against them, even at his 'alleged' 'peak'. Alonso, Vettel, Button, Rosberg, Verstappen...they'd all beat him easily in comparable cars. I'm super confident in that bet because of the endless posts in this forum constantly hammering home how weak and terrible this 'alleged' race driver is. And this is a Technical forum, so all of this will definitely be backed up by robust evidence.

There. It's settled. Now, can we please just have one thread where fans of the Ferrari team can go to find and discuss Ferrari Team news without this dead horse being beaten on pretty much every one of the next 482 pages too?

lol well done.

[ScuderiaLeo]

didnt watch leclerc's onboard but it seems the car is competitive in the first two sectors then bleeds a huge chunk of time in the third because its sliding in every corner there

Yeah S1 not too bad. But look at how it falls away in S3... ouch

[sucof]

Regarding Hamilton... what he likes, etc...

I think if you are or claim to be one of the greatest drivers ever, or even just any F1 driver who has all the support on earth, and more money for your job than anyone here could even imagine...
then the minimum is that:
- you are humble
- you are respecting the work of your team
- you support your team
- you do not whine in public
- you behave like a role model, as you are highly responsible for tens of thousands of kids who are fans
- and you work 24/7 to adapt your driving when needed... because you are a better driver than millions if not billions of people on this globe.

I can only respect top sports figures, when they behave according to these ideas.
If you can not perform to hit the mark of these ideas, then you shall simply do something else, and give place to someone else who can.

[BassVirolla]

Simply put, Hamilton doesn't seem like these tough characters.

As BassVirolla so intelligently puts it, [...]

If you are going to be sarcastic about my intelligence (mods: subtle insulting maybe?) at least stay on topic about my post and please, tell us when Hamilton delivered with subpar machinery and / or without competing for the highest spots?