Everyone said the 2022 car would be massively compromised after the 2021 season….
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Can you use the word “god” more often. A “master” class in trolling from an account that hardly posts. Too bad you posted this.woocasz wrote: ↑09 Dec 2025, 18:26so, in the first 15 races he won 2 GP, (why only 2, when he is such a god-like driver?)pantherxxx wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 01:49He won 8 races this year, proving that even without a Newey-designed car, he can win the most races in a season. Vettel was beaten by Leclerc with the same machinery—who will do that to Verstappen? No one.
after that in Monza, Red Bull introduced a significant floor upgrade for Max Verstappen,
surprise surprise in the remaining 9 races he won 6 GP...
without this new floor he would end up with like 4-5 win in the season.
so:
- new floor (close gap to Mclaren or even quicker that Mclaren)
- Mclaren stop developing car in May/June
- Mclarens papaya rules
- two equal drivers racing for Mclaren (takig points from each other)
come on. max is quick but not like god-like quick.
get real
I meant in 2021., not after the cars were revealed.AR3-GP wrote: ↑09 Dec 2025, 23:18I don't remember the rumors that Mercedes would have the best chassis. All I remember is people looking at this unusual looking car, and jumping to conclusions. Imo aerodynamics can be more of a dark art than a PU. So I do believe the Mercedes PU rumors. Unlike the chassis where they can only test with windtunnel models and simulations, they are permitted to test the real PU. The correlation is 1:1. Teams know where they stand already.
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Mercedes themselves ran the narrative during 2021 about how they'd shifted all focus to 2022 and all and how they'd be strong. Added to this there were heavy rumors about their design even before the zero pods was finally unveiled in testing.AR3-GP wrote: ↑09 Dec 2025, 23:18I don't remember the rumors that Mercedes would have the best chassis. All I remember is people looking at this unusual looking car, and jumping to conclusions. Imo aerodynamics can be more of a dark art than a PU. So I do believe the Mercedes PU rumors. Unlike the chassis where they can only test with windtunnel models and simulations, they are permitted to test the real PU. The correlation is 1:1. Teams know where they stand already.
I think Red Bull almost had to continue developing this years car even if it wasn't really expecting the WDC they had clear correlation issues between CFD and wind tunnel and what appeared on the track so I think they had to get on too of that. So think It was needed a lot to just better understand where the 2026 development was going
And like i said, this took a lot of time not just financialy (that probably isnt even the biggest problem) but resources in time. time that other teams probably invested in developement the 2026 cars. Plus the 2021 car was developed by Newey and other high ranking engineers that left since then. Plus all the politics and power struggles inside the team takes a toll. if RB didnt haveMax, its P11 and P13 with this current car.Watto wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025, 02:58I think Red Bull almost had to continue developing this years car even if it wasn't really expecting the WDC they had clear correlation issues between CFD and wind tunnel and what appeared on the track so I think they had to get on too of that. So think It was needed a lot to just better understand where the 2026 development was going
Probably the best win of Red Bull this year on pace alone? Understandably, hard to compare with the McLaren's but looks Max had enough pace to keep it all covered.
.Wouter wrote: ↑09 Dec 2025, 23:57.
Don't bother to reply to someone who started with that question. Every F1 follower knows the answer to that.
Lando is the WC and everybody with F1 knowledge agreed Max is the driver of the year.
I don't buy into that. I expect the ICE output are all in small % of each other power wise. The PU controls and driver requirements are going to make a large difference next year. That on top of whatever the right direction will be for the aero development.
Is it hard to know? Horner was kept on through all kinds of drama, only when the team became uncompetitive was he axed. That should tell you what the leadership is about. With Horner and Marko gone the power vacuum is gone too. From my perspective the team has more clarity than it has had in a long time, and the vibes seem quite good really. It's a new era trying to bring their own PU and chassi to the front of the grid. I think Max likes where he is at privately and professionally, being onboard with Marko leaving is a sign that he believes in the new leadership. He will pursue this project until the end of his contract and then reevaluate. Only a disaster engine would make him consider jumping ship, but there's no sign of that atm.Emag wrote: ↑09 Dec 2025, 14:11The reshuffling at Red Bull over the past few years really hasn’t looked great from the outside. Ever since Mateschitz passed away, it feels like a power vacuum opened up, leading to an internal struggle with no clear winners. Somehow similar to what happened with McLaren towards the end of the Ron Dennis era. It’s hard to know what the new upper management actually wants for Red Bull Racing, but I do hope this team doesn’t slide into becoming just a flashy marketing project. Although to be fair, their recent investments do suggest they still intend to stay competitive.