2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Wouter]

[basti313]

Nice livery that. Shame the F1 team doesn't use something similar.

Interesting point. The blue on the GT3 is roughly the usual corporate identity blue for RedBull. But for F1 they always used the much darker blue. Is there a reason for this?

Explained: Max Verstappen's mystery Mercedes GT3 Estoril test

https://www.motorsport.com/gt/news/what ... /10785109/

I do not really get the point about the qualifyers: If they really set up such a strong team, then why care about the qualifyers? The team can easily get to the necessary top qualifying spot without him. And the best preparation is anyways a private test, not the NLS series.

[Badger]

15 bhp is not a deal breaker,a team with better reliability and good fuel and electric power could overcome all of that.ferrari is currently believed to have 10hp more than others over a quali lap but can you really see the difference.

15 bhp on a 500 hp engine is quite a lot. That deficit would be enough to qualify for extra development time.

[Bill]

15 bhp is not a deal breaker,a team with better reliability and good fuel and electric power could overcome all of that.ferrari is currently believed to have 10hp more than others over a quali lap but can you really see the difference.

15 bhp on a 500 hp engine is quite a lot. That deficit would be enough to qualify for extra development time.

15 hp is not worth 3 tenth those numbers are just there to grab people attention for media engagement at best it's 1 tenth. The total system is around 1000hp .honda goal is to reach 50 percent thermal efficiency same with current pu but without mguh.

[Badger]

15 bhp is not a deal breaker,a team with better reliability and good fuel and electric power could overcome all of that.ferrari is currently believed to have 10hp more than others over a quali lap but can you really see the difference.

15 bhp on a 500 hp engine is quite a lot. That deficit would be enough to qualify for extra development time.

15 hp is not worth 3 tenth those numbers are just there to grab people attention for media engagement at best it's 1 tenth. The total system is around 1000hp .honda goal is to reach 50 percent thermal efficiency same with current pu but without mguh.

Nonsense. The total system will not be running close to 1000hp for most of the time as the battery deployment will be highly limited due to energy restraints, especially in the race. The combustion engine's power will be a major performance factor for lap time as it not only determines acceleration, but also helps you regenerate more energy. If you are lacking 15 hp that's roughly a 3% ICE deficit, that will be a lot of lap time. More than in 2025.

[Valeo]

As already been said, better underpromise and overachieve than vice versa and I'm sure it'll look much better than most expect next year.
Doesn't mean winning championships but races with decent reliability, why not.

[Bill]

15 bhp on a 500 hp engine is quite a lot. That deficit would be enough to qualify for extra development time.

15 hp is not worth 3 tenth those numbers are just there to grab people attention for media engagement at best it's 1 tenth. The total system is around 1000hp .honda goal is to reach 50 percent thermal efficiency same with current pu but without mguh.

Nonsense. The total system will not be running close to 1000hp for most of the time as the battery deployment will be highly limited due to energy restraints, especially in the race. The combustion engine's power will be a major performance factor for lap time as it not only determines acceleration, but also helps you regenerate more energy. If you are lacking 15 hp that's roughly a 3% ICE deficit, that will be a lot of lap time. More than in 2025.

Redbull won championship with an underpowered renaut engine with a much bid gap of more than 15 hp .it was about 20 to 30hp.its wishful thinking on Redbull fans to think they stumbled upon an f1 pu loophole and will be one to massively benefit. If you read beyond media sensationalism they is no loophole the rule say compression ratio will be measured when car is static but not while running on track which means a team could circumvent the limit imposed while car is running on track, but that's not difference to the current pu.so in short it's a measurement limitation so if they were to cheat in the next round of regulation they are probably all cheating now so no big revelation.

[AR3-GP]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... e-in-2026/

[Badger]

15 hp is not worth 3 tenth those numbers are just there to grab people attention for media engagement at best it's 1 tenth. The total system is around 1000hp .honda goal is to reach 50 percent thermal efficiency same with current pu but without mguh.

Nonsense. The total system will not be running close to 1000hp for most of the time as the battery deployment will be highly limited due to energy restraints, especially in the race. The combustion engine's power will be a major performance factor for lap time as it not only determines acceleration, but also helps you regenerate more energy. If you are lacking 15 hp that's roughly a 3% ICE deficit, that will be a lot of lap time. More than in 2025.

Redbull won championship with an underpowered renaut engine with a much bid gap of more than 15 hp .it was about 20 to 30hp.its wishful thinking on Redbull fans to think they stumbled upon an f1 pu loophole and will be one to massively benefit. If you read beyond media sensationalism they is no loophole the rule say compression ratio will be measured when car is static but not while running on track which means a team could circumvent the limit imposed while car is running on track, but that's not difference to the current pu.so in short it's a measurement limitation so if they were to cheat in the next round of regulation they are probably all cheating now so no big revelation.

I am not commenting on the validity of the article, but you're wrong if you think that 15 bhp isn't meaningful in this new regulation set, way more than one tenth. The V8 gap was not 30 hp, it was marginal. And again, those ICE's were more powerful so the relative differences of 15 bhp were smaller then.

Oh, and btw, this just dropped. https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/tric ... ntroversy/Maybe you need to take this a bit more seriously... Bill.

[pantherxxx]

15 hp is significant.

[langedweil]

I think it's funny to call it cheating rigjt away, when if true this is clearly a loophole within the rules.
What makes me wonder is the fact that both RBPT and MBHPP are being pointed at; together with Ben Hodgkinson about 150+ MB other guys/gals made the move to RBPT. Could this kind of 'trick' have been used for the MB domination back in the day ?
Or is that too far fetched !?

[AR3-GP]

I think it's funny to call it cheating rigjt away, when if true this is clearly a loophole within the rules.
What makes me wonder is the fact that both RBPT and MBHPP are being pointed at; together with Ben Hodgkinson about 150+ MB other guys/gals made the move to RBPT. Could this kind of 'trick' have been used for the MB domination back in the day ?
Or is that too far fetched !?

It’s possible that shape changing tech was institutional knowledge that came over from Brixworth. That might also explain how Mercedes was able to introduce oil to the combustion chamber to bypass the fuel flow regs since 2014.

If this were the case, Andy Cowell and AMR should have passed these ideas to Honda. Also, Merc people have moved on to Ferrari and Audi since 2021, not only RBPT. They shouldn’t have been caught by surprise. RBPT and Merc is probably just a coincidence.

[venkyhere]

Why is this CR variance with cold v hot engine such a surprise ? Engine manufacturers using material science tricks to utilize different geometries when engine is hot v/s cold should be pretty 'standard' within the engine business shouldn't it ? (forget exotic materia laden F1 engines, even regular engines experience this to a tiny extent) - designing the shapes and choosing materials of course will be aimed to extract every last ounce of the performance juice. I am sure this was in play right from 2014 itself by all teams even Renault

[Farnborough]

With any gains valuable, then ability to maximise margins obviously important.

But .... cannot see that much metallurgical "elasticity" in such a precise operation, internal combustion components, that could achieve this much shift.

The current (up to this year) has been closing inlet valve early, substantially before bdc to my understanding, to enhance a dynamic compression ratio. That over and above the stated geometrical calculation.

A std and accepted measurement normally would involve the volume swept by piston from the bottom of its stroke up until it reached tdc, with calculation of remaining volume now in combustion chamber against that swept volume. That’s conventional static/geometry calculation to give a design specification.
By closing the inlet valve early, and before the piston has reached the bottom of it's stroke, while pressurising the cylinder from turbo input to above atmospheric during that phase, this can include that cylinder volume before the piston reaches the bottom of its stroke on intake to give a dynamic compression ratio above the static specification.

That's my understanding of what they have done up until now. Its no secret, in other words.

Pat Symonds, I believe, gave a good lecture on this topic with lucid discussion points about what they are doing.

[Emag]

I don’t really know engine hardware enough to understand the implied consequences. So, if we assume FIA decides they don’t agree with this, would Mercedes and RBPT be heavily compromised like what happened to Ferrari’s 2020 power units after 2019?

Or is this more of a “quick patch” that just switches off this presumed advantage and they can go ahead run with the same designs?