2026 F1 Cars - General Thread

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FittingMechanics wrote:
12 Jan 2026, 11:23
De Wet wrote:
12 Jan 2026, 11:19
Planet F1:
Teams will be restricted to a maximum of three days of running across the five-day test across January 26-30.

Is this accurate ?
Yes. This is their private test in Barcelona (closed to the public). The choice of days is if there is fog, rain or other bad weather that they can choose a different day. It is likely that most teams will run on same days.

Then they have two official (televised) Bahrain tests in February.
It could also be that they would pick the days based on other needs (if the weather is good all days). I could see someone wanting to start later to have more time assemblying the car, as well as someone leaving a day off between days on track to have more time to analyze data and make changes (like running on days 1, 3 and 5).

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matteosc wrote:
12 Jan 2026, 17:37
It could also be that they would pick the days based on other needs (if the weather is good all days). I could see someone wanting to start later to have more time assemblying the car, as well as someone leaving a day off between days on track to have more time to analyze data and make changes (like running on days 1, 3 and 5).
Good point. If the weather is good then teams will utilize it strategically, but I think the initial intention was to have a buffer in case there is bad weather. Tests this year are much more important due to big number of changes.

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Shrieker wrote:
11 Jan 2026, 16:38
quincalla wrote:
10 Jan 2026, 00:08
Discussing ai "enhanced" images is very silly. It's not enhancing anything, it's just making up the details.
Obviously, you're not well versed when it comes to AI. It does quite a decent job, a great one, in fact.
That's not what he means.

Ai is not taking all of it's data from the specific photo that is being enhanced; it it stealing information from thousands of other photos and generating new details that it feels should be there. Hence the name "Generative AI"
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Shrieker wrote:
11 Jan 2026, 16:38
quincalla wrote:
10 Jan 2026, 00:08
Discussing ai "enhanced" images is very silly. It's not enhancing anything, it's just making up the details.
Obviously, you're not well versed when it comes to AI. It does quite a decent job, a great one, in fact.
This "enhancement" is a hoax. The pixelated image is the 44th president of the United States. The enhancement is another person entirely. It's showing the limitations of this particular AI enhancement tool. It made up another person!
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FittingMechanics wrote:
12 Jan 2026, 17:53
matteosc wrote:
12 Jan 2026, 17:37
It could also be that they would pick the days based on other needs (if the weather is good all days). I could see someone wanting to start later to have more time assemblying the car, as well as someone leaving a day off between days on track to have more time to analyze data and make changes (like running on days 1, 3 and 5).
Good point. If the weather is good then teams will utilize it strategically, but I think the initial intention was to have a buffer in case there is bad weather. Tests this year are much more important due to big number of changes.
Yes, that is probably true. Do we know if they have to declare the days they are going to use in advance? Or can they go day by day?

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
11 Jan 2026, 00:59
vorticism wrote:
10 Jan 2026, 02:32
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30 Dec 2025, 01:17
Some guesses at what we’ll see in a couple of months:
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Rear pushrod. The diffuser is not as tall but the onset of the diffuser remains in approximately the same location as the 2022 formula. It is perhaps better to not risk impinging upon it with pullrod mechanisms, although the higher CoG of a pushrod assembly could conflict with the use of rake.
Confirmed on Audi's car:
https://i.postimg.cc/KzjJWjmY/k-TEp-Xh8-(1)-4.jpg
Newey's modern era pull-rod also had the same concerns with impinging on the floor and the double diffuser. He somehow made it all fit inside the foot-print of the gearbox to nullify that issue. The reason why ground effect era moved the cars away from the pull-rod rear was perhaps the size of the tunnels but I think critically, the larger more complex suspension internals that were required. We saw that RedBull's pushrod in 2022 had complex, big parts to handle the loads and keep the ground effect floor in the narrow working range. For 2026, if the floor is not too sensitive I can see teams migrating towards a softer ride and more compact suspensions. Pull rod rear could become popular again. If it doesn't then it means the teams likely uncovered very strong benefits for the push-rod through lessons learnt in the Ground effect era.
I agree that it would be easier to package bulkier suspension internals on the top of the bellhousing rather than inside it. For the ’22 cars, I say the other deciding factors were:
--permissible mass shift upward given by lower COG due to little to no rake being used (high rake cars across ’19-’21 had their reference planes raised ~100mm at the rear axle at low speed)
--optimal tunnel shapes
--ease of service

I don’t have an accurate CAD file of the relevent 2026 regs for the diffuser so it is hard for me to say with certainty what the limits are in terms of optimizing the shape of the diffuser ramps. The plank is now narrower which to me suggests that the lower extremities of the gearbox area can be waisted down to maximize diffuser voliume, and if so, this will limit pullrod design options.. Time will tell.

I had to refresh my memory about the double diffusers. Red Bull Racing were one of the six teams who protested them at the start of 2009. They even more than the other complainants had built their car not to accommodate tunnels but with a flat floor in mind, with their pullrod rear suspension--unique in its highly forward displacement which ultimately became the standard for all cars of the following twelve years. The goal there imo was to optimize COG and internal airflow as the RB5 was also the first car with the now familiar cannon exit. Still, RBR were able to implement the DDF concept in 2009 and ultimately finished second in the WCC with Vettel second in the WDC. The DDFs remained for another season in 2010 which provided the monster RB6 which had all of the bells and whistles: DDF, EBD (yep), FW DRS, F-duct, cannon exit, extreme coke-bottle/shrink-wrapping, pullrods, unimpinged beam wing, etc. Beast of a car.
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vorticism wrote:
14 Jan 2026, 02:13


I agree that it would be easier to package bulkier suspension internals on the top of the bellhousing rather than inside it. For the ’22 cars, I say the other deciding factors were:
--permissible mass shift upward given by lower COG due to little to no rake being used (high rake cars across ’19-’21 had their reference planes raised ~100mm at the rear axle at low speed)
--optimal tunnel shapes
--ease of service

I don’t have an accurate CAD file of the relevent 2026 regs for the diffuser so it is hard for me to say with certainty what the limits are in terms of optimizing the shape of the diffuser ramps. The plank is now narrower which to me suggests that the lower extremities of the gearbox area can be waisted down to maximize diffuser voliume, and if so, this will limit pullrod design options.. Time will tell.

I had to refresh my memory about the double diffusers. Red Bull Racing were one of the six teams who protested them at the start of 2009. They even more than the other complainants had built their car not to accommodate tunnels but with a flat floor in mind, with their pullrod rear suspension--unique in its highly forward displacement which ultimately became the standard for all cars of the following twelve years. The goal there imo was to optimize COG and internal airflow as the RB5 was also the first car with the now familiar cannon exit. Still, RBR were able to implement the DDF concept in 2009 and ultimately finished second in the WCC with Vettel second in the WDC. The DDFs remained for another season in 2010 which provided the monster RB6 which had all of the bells and whistles: DDF, EBD (yep), FW DRS, F-duct, cannon exit, extreme coke-bottle/shrink-wrapping, pullrods, unimpinged beam wing, etc. Beast of a car.
Since the mating engine to gearbox bolt pattern and turbocharger will be there in that bell housing foot print anyway, it might not impinge on the diffuser tunnels (I doubt it will), but the deciding factor would be the size and complexity of the components if we see everyone move to pushrod. If we see any teams stick to pull rod, it might mean the aero structures flowing in the coke bottle area are now high priority again.
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Is Audi the only team that runs the car before the first test?

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jan 2026, 09:00
vorticism wrote:
14 Jan 2026, 02:13
The DDFs remained for another season in 2010 which provided the monster RB6 which had all of the bells and whistles: DDF, EBD (yep), FW DRS, F-duct, cannon exit, extreme coke-bottle/shrink-wrapping, pullrods, unimpinged beam wing, etc. Beast of a car.
Since the mating engine to gearbox bolt pattern and turbocharger will be there in that bell housing foot print anyway, it might not impinge on the diffuser tunnels (I doubt it will), but the deciding factor would be the size and complexity of the components if we see everyone move to pushrod. If we see any teams stick to pull rod, it might mean the aero structures flowing in the coke bottle area are now high priority again.
I think we'll see a return to pull rods at the rear for the same reason they used them during the previous flat floor regs. The front I'd guess will be more driven by aero than CoG benefits.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jan 2026, 09:00
Since the mating engine to gearbox bolt pattern and turbocharger will be there in that bell housing foot print anyway, it might not impinge on the diffuser tunnels (I doubt it will), but the deciding factor would be the size and complexity of the components if we see everyone move to pushrod. If we see any teams stick to pull rod, it might mean the aero structures flowing in the coke bottle area are now high priority again.
The engine-transmission interface (vertical plane) is well ahead of where pullrod rockers would be located and the tail of the plank is much narrower in these regs so it seems like there will be more scope for tapering of the base of the transmission housing aft of the lowermost engine-transmission mounting bolts. Said another way: it seems like the teams are being handed a narrower keel by the FIA via a skinnier skeg (plank), if I were to float more nautical terms.
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I saw a 3D mockup of the 2026 F1 car a few days ago on the internet, and the 3D file was deleted quite quickly. I managed to download it and render it myself. It seems that someone is genuinely working on this design—the floor details look quite convincing especially the fillet radius requirements. Hopefully, in the coming days, when the new car is officially revealed, we will see whether this was a genuine design concept or just a fantasy mockup.

edit on 2026/1/15
The image was deleted because it looks like a 3D concept model from Autosport magazine. The 3D file I downloaded online appears to be a genuine leak and the rights must belong to another party.

edit 2:
Oh man… I need to edit this post again. After reviewing the magazine cover in detail, it seems that their model is different from the one I previously posted. I am not an expert in this area, and I cannot tell whether this concept is genuine or not.
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qoochet wrote:
14 Jan 2026, 16:10
I saw a 3D mockup of the 2026 F1 car a few days ago on the internet, and the 3D file was deleted quite quickly. I managed to download it and render it myself. It seems that someone is genuinely working on this design—the floor details look quite convincing especially the fillet radius requirements. Hopefully, in the coming days, when the new car is officially revealed, we will see whether this was a genuine design concept or just a fantasy mockup.

https://moriteam.com/wp-content/uploads ... nder-1.jpg

https://moriteam.com/wp-content/uploads ... nder-2.jpg

https://moriteam.com/wp-content/uploads ... nder-3.jpg

https://moriteam.com/wp-content/uploads ... nder-4.jpg
Interesting. Where did you see this image?

I have to say, I doubt this is purely fantasy. Marc Lane, former cad designer at Renault F1, made a generic version of the '26 car for analysis by a youtuber (I can't recall the name of that person), and his was far less detailed. And that model was actually run through a CAD software.

I would find it hard to find someone more motivated than Marc Lane to do this kind of work.

Seems like an intern messed up. lol...

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qoochet wrote:
14 Jan 2026, 16:10
I saw a 3D mockup of the 2026 F1 car a few days ago on the internet, and the 3D file was deleted quite quickly. I managed to download it and render it myself. It seems that someone is genuinely working on this design—the floor details look quite convincing especially the fillet radius requirements. Hopefully, in the coming days, when the new car is officially revealed, we will see whether this was a genuine design concept or just a fantasy mockup.

https://moriteam.com/wp-content/uploads ... nder-1.jpg

https://moriteam.com/wp-content/uploads ... nder-2.jpg

https://moriteam.com/wp-content/uploads ... nder-3.jpg

https://moriteam.com/wp-content/uploads ... nder-4.jpg
Very detailed for sure. Cameras, screws, antenna, pitot tube (I think), gaps between different parts, complex brake cooling inlets, even screws.

Can you show closeups of the bargeboard (or whatever it's called nowadays)? To see how, which way it guides the airflow.

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Showing a pull front & push rear suspension layout, in those render images.

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Farnborough wrote:
15 Jan 2026, 06:26
Showing a pull front & push rear suspension layout, in those render images.
Well, We cannot say for sure whether either team has adopted a front pull-rod suspension layout.

That model appears to be too detailed to come from an enthusiast or an engineer outside an F1 team.

It could be from a team that adopted this layout last season, but it could also represent a very early development model.

Edit: A small detail that comes to mind is the air inlet in front of the driver. That inlet was a Red Bull feature—they used it last season as well. Could this be an old model of the RB22?