2026 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[TNTHead]

Engine gone?

https://x.com/gurtex_yoexl1/status/2016 ... 48507?s=20

[venkyhere]

Engine gone?

https://x.com/gurtex_yoexl1/status/2016 ... 48507?s=20

got a pop-up update from one of the news websites that VER went off onto gravel, caused a red flag, returned to the pits in the car itself, and went out again. Apparently only LeClerc and Verstappen were out in the rain, and that they completed 45 and 24 laps respectively.
Not sure whether this X post is a different version of the same event or whether this is something more recent.

[Badger]

Yes, almost all that only applies to the end of 2025. The new Engine is not developed or supported in any way by Honda. Nor is it designed by ex-Honda employees.

Transferred Honda Development UKs personnel are mainly support staff and assembly workers. The Engines were designed in Japan, entirely. Those staff have not gone to RBPT/Ford.

You could be right, but it will help if you can provide the source of those information just for my knowledge.

Certainly.

[CHT]

Yes, almost all that only applies to the end of 2025. The new Engine is not developed or supported in any way by Honda. Nor is it designed by ex-Honda employees.

Transferred Honda Development UKs personnel are mainly support staff and assembly workers. The Engines were designed in Japan, entirely. Those staff have not gone to RBPT/Ford.

You could be right, but it will help if you can provide the source of those information just for my knowledge.

Certainly.
https://i.postimg.cc/8C7yYPxM/rbpt.png

No one is claiming that Honda developed or transfer IP from 2026 engine to RBR. What I am saying is RBPT already knew how to build championship winning ICE engine before 2026 from support of Honda. Without Honda support and hand holding RBR will never embark in this adventure

[bananapeel23]

You could be right, but it will help if you can provide the source of those information just for my knowledge.

Certainly.
https://i.postimg.cc/8C7yYPxM/rbpt.png

No one is claiming that Honda developed or transfer IP from 2026 engine to RBR. What I am saying is RBPT already knew how to build championship winning ICE engine before 2026 from support of Honda. Without Honda support and hand holding RBR will never embark in this adventure

RBPT never built an engine before. Yes they gained some knowledge from Honda, but not the manufacturing experience, development pipeline, design software or other skill sets required to actually develop and build an engine. That is all built up from scratch by the experienced people they brought in to do the work and set up RBPT.

[Badger]

You could be right, but it will help if you can provide the source of those information just for my knowledge.

Certainly.
https://i.postimg.cc/8C7yYPxM/rbpt.png

No one is claiming that Honda developed or transfer IP from 2026 engine to RBR. What I am saying is RBPT already knew how to build championship winning ICE engine before 2026 from support of Honda. Without Honda support and hand holding RBR will never embark in this adventure

You claimed several times RBPT took over Honda's IP. There it is in black and white, Honda never shared its IP with RBPT.

It also says HRC engineered and produced the engine. That means the engine was designed and made in Japan, then shipped over to the UK where RBPT were responsible for operating it.

[nitrotech]

Certainly.
https://i.postimg.cc/8C7yYPxM/rbpt.png

No one is claiming that Honda developed or transfer IP from 2026 engine to RBR. What I am saying is RBPT already knew how to build championship winning ICE engine before 2026 from support of Honda. Without Honda support and hand holding RBR will never embark in this adventure

You claimed several times RBPT took over Honda's IP. There it is in black and white, Honda never shared its IP with RBPT.

It also says HRC engineered and produced the engine. That means the engine was designed and made in Japan, then shipped over to the UK where RBPT were responsible for operating it.

Yamamoto quit Honda in 2022 and took a role of consulting for RBPT. He opened a consultancy firm in Japan and provided services. A number Honda engineers moved to that consultancy firm and back in Milton Keynes, they hired a truck load of Mercedes engineers. So on paper, things shouldn't have been difficult. Easy said than done, but Horner and Co. hired the right people for the job, at least that's the feeling from the start they have got so far. Come Melbourne, we will see if they have built the right product and a reliable one.

[Badger]

No one is claiming that Honda developed or transfer IP from 2026 engine to RBR. What I am saying is RBPT already knew how to build championship winning ICE engine before 2026 from support of Honda. Without Honda support and hand holding RBR will never embark in this adventure

You claimed several times RBPT took over Honda's IP. There it is in black and white, Honda never shared its IP with RBPT.

It also says HRC engineered and produced the engine. That means the engine was designed and made in Japan, then shipped over to the UK where RBPT were responsible for operating it.

Yamamoto quit Honda in 2022 and took a role of consulting for RBPT. He opened a consultancy firm in Japan and provided services. A number Honda engineers moved to that consultancy firm and back in Milton Keynes, they hired a truck load of Mercedes engineers. So on paper, things shouldn't have been difficult. Easy said than done, but Horner and Co. hired the right people for the job, at least that's the feeling from the start they have got so far. Come Melbourne, we will see if they have built the right product and a reliable one.

No one is disputing RBPT hired experienced people, that is a pre-requisite for starting up your own engine program, but that's very different from having previous IP. As far as the ex-Honda engineers I don't know if they were working on the 2026 project or the operation of Honda's engines up until 2025. These projects were deliberately kept separate by Red Bull under two different entities, there's "RBPT" (recently disbanded), and "RBPT 2026". Looking at the top guys within the RBPT 2026 project they're pretty much all former HPP guys, not Honda. Ben Hodgkinson and Phil Prew being the top two.

[f1isgood]

These Honda engineers were British engineers who had to find a job once Honda decided they will leave F1 anyways. So RBPT absorbing them is not that surprising.

RBPT made their own engine. Not sure why there is so much controversy over this. They have hired a shitton of people and poured in a lot of money.

[edu2703]

[Emag]

Well at least its towards the end of the day. They could sit tomorrow out if they wanted too.

[Rikhart]

Wasn't Verstappen driving today?

[Paa]

To be fair when Honda announced their withdrawal, there was a short period of uncertainty. During that short window, there were indeed some speculations about Honda handing over the IP to Red Bull. So probably this is where all of this is coming from.
However, once things were settled it was made very clear, repeatedly, that no IP was transferred. RBPT is a completely separate project. There were some brain drain of course, but that is happening all the time anyway between teams, it is part of the game.
What I don't get is how this IP-transfer myth refused to die. As if some people were really focused on this during that short window, then somehow ignored years of repetitive clarifications.

[FW17]

These Honda engineers were British engineers who had to find a job once Honda decided they will leave F1 anyways. So RBPT absorbing them is not that surprising.

RBPT made their own engine. Not sure why there is so much controversy over this. They have hired a shitton of people and poured in a lot of money.

That is not what happened

It was decided that Red Bull would take over the entire Milton Keynes operations of Honda. This division was not an operations wing but was doing some design work (maybe on electrical side)

[Paa]

Wasn't Verstappen driving today?

Maybe they switched for the afternoon?