Aston Martin AMR26

[FNTC]

[mzso]

Speaking of extreme suspenions: Why don't they just do away push/pull rods? And let some of the suspension linkages take over that purpose. Which wouldn't be mounted to the chassis surface but would continue inside and work the ~same way as the separate rods, apart from being suspension links.

That's cantilevered, with attendant local loading (support of pivot etc) and structure within the moving (see-saw arrangement) far more substantial than these system currently employ.

These current system also allow great freedom of displacement in location for the spring medium via the linkages used.

The rear especially, as its packed around the gear train components in exoskeleton fashion to fit it in, but still be largely centralised for mass placement.

I was mainly thinking for aero reasons. Sure the join would probably need to be more sturdy but they'd get rid of an extra rod (and it's weight) from the way. I would expect the inside parts would mostly be the same.
Yeah, sure, the placement would be more limited. I guess no-one thought so far the potential advantages would outweigh the drawbacks.

[AR3-GP]

There's a lot of similarity in the shaping of the bodywork.

[matteosc]

Speaking of extreme suspenions: Why don't they just do away push/pull rods? And let some of the suspension linkages take over that purpose. Which wouldn't be mounted to the chassis surface but would continue inside and work the ~same way as the separate rods, apart from being suspension links.

That's cantilevered, with attendant local loading (support of pivot etc) and structure within the moving (see-saw arrangement) far more substantial than these system currently employ.

These current system also allow great freedom of displacement in location for the spring medium via the linkages used.

The rear especially, as its packed around the gear train components in exoskeleton fashion to fit it in, but still be largely centralised for mass placement.

I was mainly thinking for aero reasons. Sure the join would probably need to be more sturdy but they'd get rid of an extra rod (and it's weight) from the way. I would expect the inside parts would mostly be the same.
Yeah, sure, the placement would be more limited. I guess no-one thought so far the potential advantages would outweigh the drawbacks.

The suspension arms that are there are there for a reason: to define the kinematic of the wheel. If you take one away and you replace it with the push rod (pull rod would be simply impossible), the wheel would essentially wobble constantly with little contro. Not worth it.

[madridista]

from @Motor_Sport on X

[mzso]

That's cantilevered, with attendant local loading (support of pivot etc) and structure within the moving (see-saw arrangement) far more substantial than these system currently employ.

These current system also allow great freedom of displacement in location for the spring medium via the linkages used.

The rear especially, as its packed around the gear train components in exoskeleton fashion to fit it in, but still be largely centralised for mass placement.

I was mainly thinking for aero reasons. Sure the join would probably need to be more sturdy but they'd get rid of an extra rod (and it's weight) from the way. I would expect the inside parts would mostly be the same.
Yeah, sure, the placement would be more limited. I guess no-one thought so far the potential advantages would outweigh the drawbacks.

The suspension arms that are there are there for a reason: to define the kinematic of the wheel. If you take one away and you replace it with the push rod (pull rod would be simply impossible), the wheel would essentially wobble constantly with little contro. Not worth it.

I wasn't thinking of taking it away, more like integrating push/pull rod functionality into it. Whether it's too fantastic of an idea or not.

[matteosc]

I was mainly thinking for aero reasons. Sure the join would probably need to be more sturdy but they'd get rid of an extra rod (and it's weight) from the way. I would expect the inside parts would mostly be the same.
Yeah, sure, the placement would be more limited. I guess no-one thought so far the potential advantages would outweigh the drawbacks.

The suspension arms that are there are there for a reason: to define the kinematic of the wheel. If you take one away and you replace it with the push rod (pull rod would be simply impossible), the wheel would essentially wobble constantly with little contro. Not worth it.

I wasn't thinking of taking it away, more like integrating push/pull rod functionality into it. Whether it's too fantastic of an idea or not.

I understand, but for the push rod to do its job, it needs to move axially and it does not handle well lateral loads. Pull rod is even worse since it is designed to work in traction instead of in compression.

[Brahmal]

https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-20 ... -technical

[Stu]

The suspension arms that are there are there for a reason: to define the kinematic of the wheel. If you take one away and you replace it with the push rod (pull rod would be simply impossible), the wheel would essentially wobble constantly with little contro. Not worth it.

I wasn't thinking of taking it away, more like integrating push/pull rod functionality into it. Whether it's too fantastic of an idea or not.

I understand, but for the push rod to do its job, it needs to move axially and it does not handle well lateral loads. Pull rod is even worse since it is designed to work in traction instead of in compression.

I think that @mzso is suggesting something like the old Triumph front suspension, where the torsion bar is driven directly by the wishbone end and carried longitudinally by the chassis (therefore allowing elimination of the push/pull rod.

[Gridlock]

Annoyingly this was in a smaller picture-in-picture so lo res sorry



(Stroll stopped with a very suboptimal-sounding powertrain issue/rear lockup)

[icantride]

New diveplane on the FW? Looks slightly more "wiggly" at the outboard side than before which was conventionally downwashing



https://x.com/i/status/2024100894007030205

[SiLo]

Annoyingly this was in a smaller picture-in-picture so lo res sorry

https://i.postimg.cc/0QRP71ZH/screenshot00323.png

(Stroll stopped with a very suboptimal-sounding powertrain issue/rear lockup)

The floor pics for these regs won't really show us much because of the flat floors now.

[Owen.C93]

So much rake that they’re scraping the front wing end plate under braking.

[FNTC]

Am I the only one who thinks that front wing, especially the third element is a dummy for the tests? It seems so flat and low angle, just look at for example the mclaren, there must be lots more front end downforce and outwash to gain there with an aggressive and curved third flap? They also keep locking up the fronts under braking still.

[Owen.C93]

I don’t think they have the downforce to support a more aggressive front wing.