2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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They are still covering the car in the pits when the nose is off, and also seem to start it up with the nose off. Something is going on there that they want to hide. Unless it's all theater to distract from something else.

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FNTC wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 13:27
We are testing, aren't we? I see progress from last week, so let's see what the afternoon and the two next days give.
Depends on what the progress was. If they turned up the engine and ran into reliability problems it's a bad sign. I think we all understood that the 4 second gap included a lot of latent engine potential, but we need to see them reliably access that power, and today seems like another blow on that front.

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“The screens have been pulled across at Aston Martin,”

“I think what’s happened is, they had what we call a borescope out at the back of the engine – that’s the Honda engineers using a little camera to look inside the engine and see what’s going on there.

“And I think they’ve found something quite detrimental, and that sounds like that could stop the car for quite a while if they’ve found an issue internally in the engine.

“I think that will curtail their running significantly.”

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Badger wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 12:38
Rodak wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 01:29
Badger wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:07

The FIA has its own tribunal and court.
Yeah, that's called a protest, not a court case. A 'court case' implies some use of a countries court system. Here in the U.S. anyone can sue anyone else for anything in civil court, but that doesn't mean your case won't just get thrown out.
A "court case" implies the use of a court. Any case that goes to the FIA's international court of appeals becomes a court case by definition.
And there's more beyond that. You can take the FIA itself to court in France.

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hollus wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 13:36
Jambier wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 12:09


I believe they should prepare themselves to use the first 5 races to be just testing, setup and so on.
I think the team was fully there by the tome they showed up in Barcelona. If not, they must have realized it by now.
It seems to be the fans (this one included) that will need to accept it.
With a Newey car starting design late and new engine and new rules… it was maybe to be expected.
Not the first time a new Newey beast stutters off the start line. It often ends well?
Let's be honest—people who expected something different don't really understand how F1 actually works. An engineer can be as good as he wants, but whether it's Ross Brawn, Adrian Newey, Rory Byrne, Marshall, or James Allison—everyone depends on the organization and on a team, the methodologies, technology, etc. that are available, and how good they are and how well they work. Anyone who thinks you can just put Adrian Newey at Aston Martin and suddenly they'll be beating the whole of F1 doesn't understand what it's all about and how F1 works. It took Newey over three years to get Red Bull up to speed; until then, his cars were lagging behind. Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne also needed several years at Ferrari, even though they were already competing for titles in their second year. Some people may still think of Newey at McLaren, who competed for the title and won in 1998, his first year with the team. But they forget that McLaren was already on the rise before Newey arrived and many of the concepts for the 1998 car were already well developed when he joined. (McLaren had already tested cars with a longer wheelbase of over 3000 cm in 1995, 1996 and 1997, so I honestly think it's a myth that Newey was really responsible for the long wheelbase on the MP4-13; at the very least, it would be a strange coincidence...). They were already at the top level, and Newey's input was an added bonus. Aston Martin is far from the top level, even if it has the most modern infrastructure. You also have to be able to use it efficiently and have the right organization, technical level, and know-how. AM is a long way from that, and even Adrian Newey will need time here, even if the circumstances and the latest technology will speed things up, as will other top engineers such as Cardille and Fainello. But even Brawn, Byrne, Newey, Marshall, Allison, and Costa can't just snap their fingers and suddenly be number one. And I personally think it's positive that the new generation of F1 fans are also being shown that F1 doesn't work like that and that the media-created legend of the godlike engineer who comes along and, no matter where he is, conjures up the most ingenious and fastest cars out of thin air, and where every invention comes from their ingenious pen, is once again being demonstrated for what it is – namely false. Because as important as people like Newey are, because they understand the car as a whole and how everything has to work together (while younger engineers are more specialized and lack that level of knowledge) they are not magicians who build and design every screw, every aerodynamic surface, and every wishbone themselves. It is a team of thousands of people who do this. Engineers like Newey use their knowledge to ensure that everything runs in the right direction and everything harmonizes. And ultimately, that is the skill of these people, not the design and construction of individual parts. Rather, it is providing the technology, infrastructure, methodologies and organization that makes it possible to build and develop an F1 car better (which includes the "harmony" of the car working as a "whole") and faster than the competition.

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diffuser wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 18:28
mzso wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 17:30
diffuser wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 16:43
Glad to see some that understands what REALLY going on here.
Really? Because you both have the same fantasy?
I'm not forming a firm opinion until some solid info gets out. It could just as easily be that no-one cares, except Audi. And everyone's rushing their updates.
Or there's no trick at all, it's just a media hoax.
I said "Except they only added “measured at ambient temperature” on Oct 2025. That’s what triggered all the protests. If you write a rule where none existed before — just to save manufacturers money and make it easier for new teams — you shouldn’t create a giant loophole that requires ten times the research and development costs to overcome compared to keeping the original no-limit CR. It’s absolute madness."

Those are all facts.
Perhaps. But in any way the point is moot. CR is only valid at ambient for all engines. There are no margins set on how how much it can increase when running hot. No accepted method of measuring it, and no state defined to measure it at.
There's no basis to force Mercedes to do anything, if any of these CR rumors are true.

The wing analogy was very apt. All wings flex, without setting tolerances saying it should be rigid is meaningless and invalid.

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mzso wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 14:22
diffuser wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 18:28
mzso wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 17:30

Really? Because you both have the same fantasy?
I'm not forming a firm opinion until some solid info gets out. It could just as easily be that no-one cares, except Audi. And everyone's rushing their updates.
Or there's no trick at all, it's just a media hoax.
I said "Except they only added “measured at ambient temperature” on Oct 2025. That’s what triggered all the protests. If you write a rule where none existed before — just to save manufacturers money and make it easier for new teams — you shouldn’t create a giant loophole that requires ten times the research and development costs to overcome compared to keeping the original no-limit CR. It’s absolute madness."

Those are all facts.
Perhaps. But in any way the point is moot. CR is only valid at ambient for all engines. There are no margins set on how how much it can increase when running hot. No accepted method of measuring it, and no state defined to measure it at.
There's no basis to force Mercedes to do anything, if any of these CR rumors are true.

The wing analogy was very apt. All wings flex, without setting tolerances saying it should be rigid is meaningless and invalid.
False. All 2025 PU ran a presure sensor to prevent knock.

Fact...one of the driving reason to limit CR was the cost of that sensor.

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Jambier wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 12:09
Indeed they need laps and laps.
They are not even close to have a setup for the chassis, but they also have many issues that are preventing laps so...

I believe they should prepare themselves to use the first 5 races to be just testing, setup and so on.
Not sure though how much they are allowed to uses races to test
Why would there be any restrictions. Until the car is legal and can run in a safe way (and they can hit 107% in qualifying) they can do whatever they want.

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Car fixed and Stroll on track at least.

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They running the same front wing as last test?
Honda!

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Back to cooling vents on the engine cover and lap time over 4 secs off... hopefully more laps today afternoon

Update: Beached the car, Day 1 gone =D> To be fair to Stroll, does not look like a driver's issue
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dren wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 14:50
They running the same front wing as last test?
I think so:
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From this X post: https://x.com/MRO91978658/status/2024103422106931333

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And Stroll has spun out into the gravel

Edit: Doesn't look like driver error. It sounded like the engine and/or gearbox shut down mid braking which spun the car. An annoying incident for a team with limited running already
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Dear God let this be the year

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Rear locked up in the braking zone... Gearbox?

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Sounds like gearbox exploded.

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Something weird happened to the downshift and the car locked up.