2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[FrukostScones]

here is Michael Schmidt take on the situation AutoMotorUnd Sport:
read it while it still available for free:
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -getriebe/

[venkyhere]

The root cause of vibration are still unknown. To me sound like clash of egos.honda blamed changes made to pu that were requested by newey and now newey is now throwing a counter punch .I think they should discuss things behind closed door and work on their pr.

It didn't even take 24 hrs for the optimism to turn into pessimism.

less than 24 hrs ago :

the Aston Honda project is not for the faint hearted .Newey was brought in to shake up the team and bring glory .he is taking risks and pushing the team out of their comfort zone. The car looks very slim compared to others ,its like comparing a runaway model from Europe with a plus size model from America. Honda has took on the challenge too.so despite all the challenges the relationship between the two parties is conflict free and working well according to people from Honda.so i belief it will bear fruit but they will be pain to go through.

Sorry mate, I too wanted AMR26 to be a winning car off-the-blocks and hurt the big-four. However, that post's an overload of copium, not everything can be turned into 'see the silver lining'. The team structure, management, exchange between team and PU supplier, general 'team vibes' -- all down in the doldrums right now. There is only one way to go - "up". But that doesn't mean fantasy-praise is going to help.

That's naive and unrealistic. You can't built an entirely new factory with state of the art equipment bring new people built new gearbox and suspension elements switch it all on and decimate the competition. It has never been done and it will never be done the team will have to learn to crawl before they can walk let alone run.simply they had to undergo a development process testing experimenting ensuring models fit reality and that take time .

[Bill]

The root cause of vibration are still unknown. To me sound like clash of egos.honda blamed changes made to pu that were requested by newey and now newey is now throwing a counter punch .I think they should discuss things behind closed door and work on their pr.

It didn't even take 24 hrs for the optimism to turn to pessimism.

less than 24 hrs ago :

Sorry mate, I too wanted AMR26 to be a winning car off-the-blocks and hurt the big-four. However, that post's an overload of copium, not everything can be turned into 'see the silver lining'. The team structure, management, exchange between team and PU supplier, general 'team vibes' -- all down in the doldrums right now. There is only one way to go - "up". But that doesn't mean fantasy-praise is going to help.

That's naive and unrealistic. You can't built an entirely new factory with state of the art equipment bring new people built new gearbox and suspension elements switch it all on and decimate the competition. It has never been done and it will never be done the team will have to learn to crawl before they can walk let alone run.simply they had to undergo a development process testing experimenting ensuring models fit reality and that take time .

You see what you want they is nothing in that statement that signal perssimism,all i am saying is the leadership at Aston should grow up and handle things behind close doors especially newey. Wanatabe said dispite challenges the two team are working fine .remember the teams is made of thousands of people who actually do the jop.they said from car launch that the start of season would be challenging but expert better results in the second half so why would I lose optimism if the wheel haven't even been turned.

[FW17]

Andrew Benson-article: https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/arti ... ykk74re1ro

Excerpt:

The fix introduced only stops the vibrations reaching the battery. They are still being transmitted into the chassis, and from there into the steering.

"There's no point in not being open and honest in this meeting on our expectations," Newey said.

"We are going to have to be very heavily restricted on how many laps we do in the race until we get on top of the source of the vibration and improve the vibration at source."

So Honda brought in solution to protect the battery from the vibrations.

Newey and AMR were twiddling their thumbs, not protecting the steering wheel, seat or the pedals for the driver.

Just like live with a stiff car, live with vibrations, it was probably a design feature of Neweys to get more downforce and less drag to make the car go faster.

[Jaymz]

I sensed AMR and Alonso will struggle like Mclaren 2015 when they announced partnership with Honda. The marriage Alonso and Honda never going to work out.

I would say put Tsunoda on the car as he is Honda baby... and he will say what the car looks like in Japan.... then the Honda will realize.

Also if Newly said something about engine packaging, it is upto Honda to think and see if it is feasible as they don't have enough time to do R&D. Honda should push backed Newly idea of tight packing idea. They had similar issue in 2015 and don't know why Honda agreed with it.

if it is not going to work, Honda may come up with traditional engine model as other manufacturers uses like they did it in 2018 onwards....

This year gone and I don't want AMR to spend much of the time in exploring the current model of engine design......

Exactly this.

[shingles]

Aston Martin F1 Team brought in Andy Cowell, who had a long history with Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains, and the expectation was that his expertise in engine design would translate to strong performance.

I fail to understand how he did not see the Honda integration issues coming earlier….

Sometimes, a strong headed leader that wants things done their way will stop a lot of good ideas from seeing the light of day. If the stories of Newey are true... the nice version is, he has very high standards and doesn't compromise.... it's entirely possible that everyone saw it coming, but Newey didn't' want to change.

[ScottB]

Getting real Mclaren vibes, both the Mclaren Honda, and the MP4-18!

Really feels like the team have went all in on Newey, which does make some sense, but things like not officially starting their car until he arrived was ultimately a decision led by that - there's no good reason not to have already been under way, other than a desire to give an Adrian a clean sheet of paper. They can't really complain about the lack of time because they chose to embrace that option, it wasn't forced on them.

Secondly we're getting all the greatest hits from Mclaren Honda; Honda on a compressed timeline versus other manufacturers, an aggressive car concept requiring compromises in the PU etc etc - wasn't Martin Whitmarsh around for both!

Then of course, the MP4-18, an aggressive Newey design that was, among other issues, plagued by fatal vibration problems. It's interesting that he's very publicly, immediately thrown Honda under the bus, even if true, just doesn't seem smart, and does have the vibes of Mclaren Honda, where they were certain it wasn't the car, until they got a Mercedes engine and it very much was the car. I have to think back to Newey complaining about Wache and co not always listening to him - perhaps Red Bull's engineering approach was able to adopt the good Newey ideas and deploy them in a more reliable way, or screen out the ones that just weren't going to work in the real world? Because here he seems to be back at the top of the pile with nobody to restrain him, like Mclaren, and we've got a very fragile car that shakes itself to bits...

[ScottB]

Aston Martin F1 Team brought in Andy Cowell, who had a long history with Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains, and the expectation was that his expertise in engine design would translate to strong performance.

I fail to understand how he did not see the Honda integration issues coming earlier….

Sometimes, a strong headed leader that wants things done their way will stop a lot of good ideas from seeing the light of day. If the stories of Newey are true... the nice version is, he has very high standards and doesn't compromise.... it's entirely possible that everyone saw it coming, but Newey didn't' want to change.

Seems reasonable to conclude Newey and Cowell had some sort of fall out leading to the latter's exit, so...

[BassVirolla]

Andrew Benson-article: https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/arti ... ykk74re1ro

Excerpt:

The fix introduced only stops the vibrations reaching the battery. They are still being transmitted into the chassis, and from there into the steering.

"There's no point in not being open and honest in this meeting on our expectations," Newey said.

"We are going to have to be very heavily restricted on how many laps we do in the race until we get on top of the source of the vibration and improve the vibration at source."

So Honda brought in solution to protect the battery from the vibrations.

Newey and AMR were twiddling their thumbs, not protecting the steering wheel, seat or the pedals for the driver.

Just like live with a stiff car, live with vibrations, it was probably a design feature of Neweys to get more downforce and less drag to make the car go faster.

- steering wheel, engine, seat and pedals have to be stiffly fitted to chassis. Maybe you can play with aero surfaces pylons and suspension attachmentd, but the elements you mentioned make no sense at all.
- isn't getting more downforce, less drag and, hence, going faster the leit motiv of a race car?
- when you have a problem is better to patch around or solving the source? Apart from the tarmac irregularities, there are no more vibration sources than the engine and the gearbox.

[selvam_e2002]

One of the biggest fiascos I've ever witnessed as a Formula 1 fan. And, of course, Alonso drives for this team. The guy can't catch a break. It's downright embarrassing, and words are hardly needed to describe how terrible things are going right now.

Newey with drivers through the years:
Verstappen - 19 wins in a season, 4x champ.
Vettel - 13 wins in a season, 4x champ.
Hakkinen - double champ.
Villeneuve - champ.
Hill - champ.
Prost - champ.
Mansell - champ.
Alonso - nerve damage.

small correction: instead of Alonso, Stroll JR Champ.... in 2030.

[Nikosar]

One of the biggest fiascos I've ever witnessed as a Formula 1 fan. And, of course, Alonso drives for this team. The guy can't catch a break. It's downright embarrassing, and words are hardly needed to describe how terrible things are going right now.

Newey with drivers through the years:
Verstappen - 19 wins in a season, 4x champ.
Vettel - 13 wins in a season, 4x champ.
Hakkinen - double champ.
Villeneuve - champ.
Hill - champ.
Prost - champ.
Mansell - champ.
Alonso - nerve damage.

small correction: instead of Alonso, Stroll JR Champ.... in 2030.

Bottas humor joking said he expect Alonso or Stroll to fight with Russel for the title this year

[FNTC]

[Jambier]

So they will go for 20 laps at Melbourne.
Or just do 2 laps and retire?

[ScottB]

So they will go for 20 laps at Melbourne.
Or just do 2 laps and retire?

Would make sense to do a few laps, box, let the driver recover, then do more, get as many in as they can.

We've seen cars rejoin races after 'retiring' before, so don't see why not.

[Nikosar]

So they will go for 20 laps at Melbourne.
Or just do 2 laps and retire?

Would make sense to do a few laps, box, let the driver recover, then do more, get as many in as they can.

We've seen cars rejoin races after 'retiring' before, so don't see why not.

Seems Honda introduced 2 solutions to limit vibration as per Alonso and Lance saying. If they work there a chance they do more than 20 laps… still not enough but at least small progress