2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[Otromundo]

It's a good thing I went over the messages before starting to talk about harmonics. I hadn't seen a few previous messages that already refer to it.

I think part of the problem comes from there: too many things spinning together for the first time and on top of that, the mechanics mixed with electricity-magnetism.

And then the many discussions they've had about cooling: whether it's at a low level, whether it's aggressive... The oil spinning around in the gearbox which, coincidentally, is also new.

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There is a lot of work just to perfectly check each thing before making changes. I also think we will have fun, although I don't think the improvement will be immediate.

Since you have worked with vibrations when multiple sources come together, does this theory (quote below) make any sense ? Honda never saw catastrophic vibrations on their 'chassis simulation' PU testing rig in their Japan factory (iirc what I read in this thread during Bahrain test) ; however, the moment the car hit the track, this present problem showed up. Hence the conjecture that it most probably comes from suspension.

How about the rear wheels rear upper wishbone connected to the location where it can yank (at some 'unfortunate' frequency close to some Nth harmonic of natural freq of the powertrain assembly) the exhaust pipe ? A pipe which has a 'long leverage' to the exhaust ports of the engine itself ? Other teams connect this to gearbox casing, which has a dampener (clutch and clutch springs) in between the PU and suspension vibrations.

Very interesting, many thanks. It would be better in that case: being foreign to the engine, if they find the solution the improvement would be immediate.

[mzso]

It's illogical that races that don't happen would apply. But this is the FIA, so who knows...

The regulations are not written in a way that suggests they can deviate from the original ADUO schedule. They have to act within the regulations.

To the regulations talk about after race X or do they talk about calendar dates?

If the former, then who knows what the FIA will decide. If the latter then cancelled races don't make a difference.

Races.

[GoranF1]

People who were saying Newey was wrong to speak so open and hard about Honda problems in press conference and saying he is not good for team principal dont really know what they talk about.
He achieved exactly what he wanted whit that spech, Honda just announced they have increased number of staff and reached pre exit numbers and also they sacrificed Moto gp projects to help F1.

[AR3-GP]

People who were saying Newey was wrong to speak so open and hard about Honda problems in press conference and saying he is not good for team principal dont really know what they talk about.
He achieved exactly what he wanted whit that spech, Honda just announced they have increased number of staff and reached pre exit numbers and also they sacrificed Moto gp projects to help F1.

They have probably done this in the months preceding Melbourne. This kind of change wouldn't happen in the span of a GP weekend so Newey's criticism's have not changed anything other than to make enemies.

[mvfad]

A Brazilian journalist said that the talk in the paddock is that Aston Martin mounted the engine (the MGU-K part) on the chassis in a different position than Honda designed it to be, and that this would be the reason for the strong vibrations. She also said that the story that Aston Martin only saw Honda's delayed development (in November) has a good chance of being false.

Overall, she meant that the Aston Martin people are trying to place the blame on Honda in a forced manner, but that Aston Martin also has a strong responsibility in what is happening there.

[AR3-GP]

According to Orihara, Honda’s in-house development work began back in 2023, with the Aston Martin partnership getting underway soon after. “The power unit has been developed with the team, because the power unit design comes from the car demand,” he explained, with the caveat: “Adrian Newey had a lot of requirements and Honda was keen to listen to those demands and meet those demands as much as possible. We have spent three years [on this] and I think the relationship is quite strong.”

Adrian only joined in March. So we now have confirmation that much has changed with the PU since his arrival.

https://www.pmw-magazine.com/features/e ... -unit.html

Redefining the PU layout for a PU that had been in design since 2023, is by definition late @zorostar.

[AR3-GP]

But how do you balance the design intent of someone like Adrian Newey and the practical realities of producing a reliable power unit with the correct performance?

“It’s a good question,” mused Orihara. “It’s important to find the compromise point. But Adrian Newey is the best designer, and if the demand comes from Adrian Newey, Honda will respect that demand as much as possible. Sometimes, if it is impossible from a reliability viewpoint, we may say no. But, if we see a negative performance effect but total [car] performance is increased by the demand, we will respect the demand. It [power unit design] is defined by lap time demand, but also by Adrian demand.”

https://www.pmw-magazine.com/features/e ... -unit.html

[AR3-GP]

Particularly explosive: Pride and loyalty play a central role in Japanese culture. "If you throw Honda right under the bus on the first weekend, I feel like they could have ruined the relationship before the first weekend was even over. This is a disaster from every conceivable perspective," was the devastating verdict.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... a-26031006

[Rodak]

A Brazilian journalist said that the talk in the paddock is that Aston Martin mounted the engine (the MGU-K part) on the chassis in a different position than Honda designed it to be, and that this would be the reason for the strong vibrations. She also said that the story that Aston Martin only saw Honda's delayed development (in November) has a good chance of being false.

Overall, she meant that the Aston Martin people are trying to place the blame on Honda in a forced manner, but that Aston Martin also has a strong responsibility in what is happening there.

That doesn't make a lot of sense, as the MGU is physically connected to the engine with rotating shafts to generate electricity for the batteries and feed that electrical energy back into the drive train; it's not just an electrically connected unit with wires. To move it would require a redesign of the engine.

[TyreSlip]

A Brazilian journalist said that the talk in the paddock is that Aston Martin mounted the engine (the MGU-K part) on the chassis in a different position than Honda designed it to be, and that this would be the reason for the strong vibrations. She also said that the story that Aston Martin only saw Honda's delayed development (in November) has a good chance of being false.

Overall, she meant that the Aston Martin people are trying to place the blame on Honda in a forced manner, but that Aston Martin also has a strong responsibility in what is happening there.

That doesn't make a lot of sense, as the MGU is physically connected to the engine with rotating shafts to generate electricity for the batteries and feed that electrical energy back into the drive train; it's not just an electrically connected unit with wires. To move it would require a redesign of the engine.

And Honda already confirmed that the MGU-K is fine and not a source of the vibrations. It is solely the ICE.

[diffuser]

A Brazilian journalist said that the talk in the paddock is that Aston Martin mounted the engine (the MGU-K part) on the chassis in a different position than Honda designed it to be, and that this would be the reason for the strong vibrations. She also said that the story that Aston Martin only saw Honda's delayed development (in November) has a good chance of being false.

Overall, she meant that the Aston Martin people are trying to place the blame on Honda in a forced manner, but that Aston Martin also has a strong responsibility in what is happening there.

That doesn't make a lot of sense, as the MGU is physically connected to the engine with rotating shafts to generate electricity for the batteries and feed that electrical energy back into the drive train; it's not just an electrically connected unit with wires. To move it would require a redesign of the engine.

Think it's true. Initially the MGU-K was more along side the ICE. Now, it's almost in front of the ICE. Allows for that massive undercut they have.

[diffuser]

A Brazilian journalist said that the talk in the paddock is that Aston Martin mounted the engine (the MGU-K part) on the chassis in a different position than Honda designed it to be, and that this would be the reason for the strong vibrations. She also said that the story that Aston Martin only saw Honda's delayed development (in November) has a good chance of being false.

Overall, she meant that the Aston Martin people are trying to place the blame on Honda in a forced manner, but that Aston Martin also has a strong responsibility in what is happening there.

That doesn't make a lot of sense, as the MGU is physically connected to the engine with rotating shafts to generate electricity for the batteries and feed that electrical energy back into the drive train; it's not just an electrically connected unit with wires. To move it would require a redesign of the engine.

And Honda already confirmed that the MGU-K is fine and not a source of the vibrations. It is solely the ICE.

I didn't hear that. I read that they tried different bearings on the MGU-K. Sounded like what Otromundo was saying.

[ispano6]

That doesn't make a lot of sense, as the MGU is physically connected to the engine with rotating shafts to generate electricity for the batteries and feed that electrical energy back into the drive train; it's not just an electrically connected unit with wires. To move it would require a redesign of the engine.

And Honda already confirmed that the MGU-K is fine and not a source of the vibrations. It is solely the ICE.

I didn't hear that. I read that they tried different bearings on the MGU-K. Sounded like what Otromundo was saying.

Honda said 3 years ago that the major source of vibrations would be the MGU-K. Someone missed the memo.

[CHT]

And Honda already confirmed that the MGU-K is fine and not a source of the vibrations. It is solely the ICE.

I didn't hear that. I read that they tried different bearings on the MGU-K. Sounded like what Otromundo was saying.

Honda said 3 years ago that the major source of vibrations would be the MGU-K. Someone missed the memo.

Yes, vibration issue on MGU-K was something Honda is well aware in 2021. But back then placement of MGU-K motor was different. And now the vibration is affecting the batteries.

[Leon Kennedy]

So, to put it the usual way, it's Adrian's fault. If I tell the architect of my house to make the columns diagonally, I imagine he will only make them to please me and without considering the consequences.


No guys, it doesn't work like that for me, they themselves said that there were no vibrations on the test bench. It was their mistake and they need to fix it.