2026 car comparisons

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De Wet
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These Front Wings are still far to big... Hope it gets smaller with 2030 rules. :D

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De Wet wrote:
24 Mar 2026, 12:52
These Front Wings are still far to big... Hope it gets smaller with 2030 rules. :D
I guess they could get rid of the wing sweep to shorten the cars further, but it isn’t really going to do all that much for the length.

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It's funny to me that the two fastest cars have the simplest front wings.
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bananapeel23 wrote:
24 Mar 2026, 13:27
De Wet wrote:
24 Mar 2026, 12:52
These Front Wings are still far to big... Hope it gets smaller with 2030 rules. :D
I guess they could get rid of the wing sweep to shorten the cars further, but it isn’t really going to do all that much for the length.
look at the lovely logos on most of them - front wings ain't going anywhere.
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SiLo wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 15:08
It's funny to me that the two fastest cars have the simplest front wings.
I wonder how much performance Ferrari and Mercedes can gain from developing their front wings. Ferrari doesn’t even have a diveplane or any strakes.

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Mercedes power advantage is so big they didn't even bother to develop efficient front wing aero. Just add all of the downforce and be done with it.

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Love the active aero, but this 50-50 power unit was a step too far. As much as I wish they would go back to V10s, I’m realistic and I know it won’t happen. That being said … they need to move to 60:40 ratio for next season, it would make a significant impact IMO


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An interesting comparison of the Ferrari and Red Bull concepts by Jan Kapral. Although I don’t agree with the one or other conclusion, and I also believe that some of these results, especially given the on-track performance we’ve seen, stem from a specific cause and are therefore not entirely accurate, I’ll leave Jans analysis as it is without comment because of my massive respect for his dedication, passion and great work:

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Both cars exhibit similar load distribution, but differ significantly in flow conditioning strategies. Red Bull's low nose position restricts flow through the central wing section, forcing air outboard and promoting strong outwash. Ferrari adopts a higher
nose with elongated pylons, generating a Y250-like vortex that travels beneath the nose and feeds the sidepod undercut. The extended lower lip of the sidepod inlet likely stabilizes and sustains this structure downstream. At the endplate-footplate junction, Red Bull employs a smooth transition, reducing footplate vortex strength and instead relying on a strake-
generated structure. Ferrari's stepped footplate produces two distinct vortices. Footplate vortices on both cars merge with tyre squirt and rear deflector vortex into a single, stronger outwash feature.
Ferraris endplate curvature limits the formation of the endplate vortex which
Red Bull aims at the brake duct.

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The floor foot generates suction ahead of the inlet supporting any incoming outwash created by the front-end geometry. Further downstream, the remaining dirty air is pushed outboard by the Floor Leading Edge Devices (FLEDs). Red Bull's geometry
appears more effective in this area, although this may partly result from inaccuracies in the Ferrari CAD
model. Suction under the boat section of the floor is controlled by the floor bib vortex,
The upper tyre wake is managed by the floor board Red Bull uses three upwashing horizontal elements with a slight inboard kink at their rear ends, while Ferrari employs one outwashing element followed by
three horizontal ones. The vortex generated by Ferrari's outwashing element increases the pressure on the upper horizontal element, strengthening its vortex compared to Red Bul's design.

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Sidepods primarily manage flow rather than generate downforce, Ferrari combines downwash geometry with a pronounced undercut, delivering high-energy flow rearwards via dual pathways. Red Bull's
tighter inwashing concept prioritizes flow confinement. While inwashing solutions are typically more robust and easier to optimize, downwash concepts can transport higher-energy flow to critical rear regions. Red Bull's tightly packaged bodywork incorporates a downwashing
surface behind the cockpit, displacing cockpit losses away from the rear wing. Ferrari employs "cannon"-style volumes reminiscent of earlier ground-effect designs. Ferrari retains a triangular airbox inlet, although a more concave upper
surface generally shows improved resistance to flow separation.

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Red Bull features an outwashing bulge at the upper corner of the diffuser, seamlessly integrated with the diffuser strake. Likely due to a wider gearbox casing, the keel section is also broader than Ferrari's.
Ferrari's exhaust-blocking winglet did not perform well at this mesh resolution. Overall, Red Bull follows a more outwashing philosophy, while Ferrari extracts more flow in the upwash direction.

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The optimal aerodynamic balance differs
significantly between the two cars. Red Bull
features a very strong front end and, to
compensate, must run at an extremely |ow rake of around 0.25°. This likely results in an overal loss of downforce due to diffuser choking. Ferrari achieves balance at approximately 0.75° of rake, but the overall concept appears weaker. The primary contributor to its lack of rear downforce is insufficient outwash generated by the FLEDs. Red Bull's concept appears easier to fine-tune, making its lack of real-world performance somewhat puzzling--potentially pointing to a correlation mismatch. Ferrari, on the other
hand, shows greater development potential, as relatively small geometric refinements could yield significant performance gains.

Thank you Jan for your effort and great work!

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Andi76 wrote:
06 Apr 2026, 09:42
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Really interesting CFD analysis. The Ferrari on paper here looks like a far worse car in almost all aspects. Yet the Red Bull is miles away on single and long run pace. Considering Ferrari are getting ADUO, possibly even the 4% ADUO and Red Bull none, I think the Ferrari analysis here is quite far from the mark.
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SiLo wrote:
07 Apr 2026, 15:57
Really interesting CFD analysis. The Ferrari on paper here looks like a far worse car in almost all aspects. Yet the Red Bull is miles away on single and long run pace. Considering Ferrari are getting ADUO, possibly even the 4% ADUO and Red Bull none, I think the Ferrari analysis here is quite far from the mark.
I think we can take the CFD of the front wing pretty seriously, he looks to have modeled those elements quite accurately. The model gets less accurate the further rearward it goes. For example, he has modeled the same generic suspension members for both cars. The sidepods of the Ferrari are not accurate. Neither is the "canoe" section of the floor for either car. Still, a great effort nonetheless and very interesting in it's own right.

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Brahmal wrote:
08 Apr 2026, 02:05
SiLo wrote:
07 Apr 2026, 15:57
Really interesting CFD analysis. The Ferrari on paper here looks like a far worse car in almost all aspects. Yet the Red Bull is miles away on single and long run pace. Considering Ferrari are getting ADUO, possibly even the 4% ADUO and Red Bull none, I think the Ferrari analysis here is quite far from the mark.
I think we can take the CFD of the front wing pretty seriously, he looks to have modeled those elements quite accurately. The model gets less accurate the further rearward it goes. For example, he has modeled the same generic suspension members for both cars. The sidepods of the Ferrari are not accurate. Neither is the "canoe" section of the floor for either car. Still, a great effort nonetheless and very interesting in it's own right.
Agreed, front wing looks ok for both. The rest is just giving us an idea of what might be happening really. I'm sure someone will figure out a slightly more detailed model and run the same again. Not having the Ferrari exhaust wing run with exhaust flow is pretty pointless I imagine as well.

Anyone know what kind of velocity the exhaust gases run at?
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