2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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ispano6 wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 09:46
mzso wrote:
26 Mar 2026, 18:06
ispano6 wrote:
26 Mar 2026, 16:36
In any case, nothing will improve without fixes to the car. The fact that it runs with less vibration with more fuel in the car is a clear indicator the chassis lacks rigidity in key places of the chassis.
I think your grasping at straws here, trying to find blame elsewhere. I highly doubt AM decided to make the monocoque bendy.
Actually the opposite was said, carbon-fiber composite is very rigid, so it transmits all of it.
Grasping at straws? You don't think like an engineer then.
From Yasuaki Asaki's active F1 column, in his own words.
その推測が当たっていたら、オーストラリアGPと中国GPの開幕2連戦はおそらくあとづけの対策になったと思います。私の経験的に短時間での効果的な振動対策は、ダイナミックダンパー(動吸振器)のあとづけや、つっかえ棒のような部品追加での剛性アップです。

"If that guess was correct, the opening two rounds at the Australian GP and Chinese GP were probably retrofitted countermeasures. From my experience, effective short-term vibration countermeasures include retrofitting dynamic dampers (tuned mass dampers) or increasing rigidity by adding parts like struts."
https://sportiva.shueisha.co.jp/clm/mot ... 27/f1gppu/
Thanks. An interesting read.

It doesn't support your argument though. He speculates that the Honda engine developement leader is to blame, that he accepted late re-designs. I no way he blames the chassis.
What you quoted separately means they added mass to the car, to decrease vibrations, which he assesses that it didn't work. (unsurprisingly).
Though you highlighted struts, in no way he says it's because, or for the chassis. I guess the K might be vibrating around because it's only mounted at one end to the engine, which could certainly magnify the problem. Struts would help here for sure. He also says that the PU is the cause that generates the vibrations.
ispano6 wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 10:56
The vibrations generated by the ICE (internal combustion engine) are not particularly significant on their own, even when compared to ICEs from previous years. Even in VTT (bench test) conditions, where the engine is connected to Aston Martin’s dummy monocoque and gearbox, there are no vibrations at levels that would be considered problematic.

However, once all the components are installed and the car is actually driven on the track, the vibrations are amplified.


Initially, the battery—which is directly connected to the ICE and the monocoque—was damaged, and drivers also reported experiencing vibrations. To ensure reliability, “vibration countermeasures for the battery” were urgently implemented and achieved some success. At the Chinese Grand Prix, the only issue that occurred throughout the weekend was a power supply problem experienced by Lance Stroll during the race (the cause is currently under investigation).

However, since no measures have been taken to reduce vibrations originating from the chassis itself, it is only natural that drivers continue to suffer from vibration issues.

There are limits to how much vibration from the ICE itself can be suppressed, as mentioned earlier, since the vibration levels from the ICE are already within normal ranges. If cockpit vibrations are truly severe enough to prevent drivers from finishing the race, it is obvious that relying solely on ICE-side measures will not lead to a fundamental solution.

“We are working together [with Aston Martin and Honda] to make improvements. We are discussing what the optimal measures are to mitigate the current issues and are moving forward with improvements together. Ideally, we would address the root cause, but what we are working on with Honda is what we can achieve within the limited time available.”
https://sportiva.shueisha.co.jp/clm/mot ... /17/f1_20/

The fact that Alonso says his hands AND feet lost sensation is a bit suspect. His feet? In any case, there are many who doubt that the issue is solely Honda's doing. For it would be arrogance to not question the chassis package as a major contributor to the effects.
This is a tad contradictory to the other article. However I see no-one in particular quoted for these assertions.

I don't know why you think that is suspicious. Vibrations don't just stop. The CF monocoque is rigid, it shakes from nose to rear crash structure.

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Nikosar wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 16:21
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27 Mar 2026, 12:17
Given that they are not progressing, I believe a "return to normal" meaning finishing races and scoring some points will now likely be for the last 4 or 5 races.

I don't believe anything will happen before summer break. Then maybe they could start their season properly
Only if the others team fail to bring effective upgrades. There 11 teams that are already working on upgrades while Aston/Honda still working reliability
Seeing the dire situation. They have a lot more to gain than others. With the vibrations suddenly disappearing and the car setup optimized seconds of gain is possible. They are also likely running a bunch of extra weight to dampen vibrations, as Asaki said. Which may be a lot of loss in itself.

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Otromundo wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 16:49
Well, I still think the ICE isn't the main culprit for the excessive vibrations. I believe the chassis rigidity, the ICE mounts, or both; the rear suspension mounts and/or the gearbox, or the MGU-K mounting are the prime suspects.

I don't think my assumptions are brilliant; they're simply the biggest differences between the AMR26 and the other cars. That's why I suspect that some of them, or perhaps the interaction of several of them, are the cause.
There little doubt that it's the ICE.
A CF monocoque is as rigid as alway. The ICE mounts are standardized and amount to six screws. I don't see how the suspension or the gearbox might be relevant.
The K might aggravate it I guess with it being connected longitudinally on one end.

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diffuser wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 23:32
peewon wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 22:55
I think they have a good idea as to the main reason of the vibrations which is the MGU-K placement. I think Honda are trying to eliminate vibrations by changing other things like mountings, etc. I think Newey and Aston dont think they will find a solution without a complete redesign but Honda will remain stubborn for some time. This is the reason for friction in public statements. I don think there is any solution this season at all. They might reach a level where a severely underpowered PU can finish a race but thats all.
Not sure where you heard that...It would be good news.
The MGU-K connects to the MGU-K transmission that connects to the block and then crankshaft. be interseting to know more.
I highly doubt that they don't know exactly what the issue is at this point. They just don't want to say.
And since they couldn't meaningfully improve it. Probably an engine redesign is coming.

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mzso wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 23:51
diffuser wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 23:32
peewon wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 22:55
I think they have a good idea as to the main reason of the vibrations which is the MGU-K placement. I think Honda are trying to eliminate vibrations by changing other things like mountings, etc. I think Newey and Aston dont think they will find a solution without a complete redesign but Honda will remain stubborn for some time. This is the reason for friction in public statements. I don think there is any solution this season at all. They might reach a level where a severely underpowered PU can finish a race but thats all.
Not sure where you heard that...It would be good news.
The MGU-K connects to the MGU-K transmission that connects to the block and then crankshaft. be interseting to know more.
I highly doubt that they don't know exactly what the issue is at this point. They just don't want to say.
And since they couldn't meaningfully improve it. Probably an engine redesign is coming.
I always thought that once you know the source of the problem...you can start the communicate how long before a fix. They're still in countermeasure mode.

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The issue is in the package/platform.

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mzso wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 23:33

Though you highlighted struts, in no way he says it's because, or for the chassis. I guess the K might be vibrating around because it's only mounted at one end to the engine, which could certainly magnify the problem. Struts would help here for sure. He also says that the PU is the cause that generates the vibrations.
つっかえ棒のような部品. (a part like a "strut or brace" is for the area of the chassis that is vibrating)

I literally translated it twice in that entry that has the same meaning.

And yes, it does support my initial conjecture about chassis vibrations.

The issue alone is not due to the PU. The chassis itself contributes. Why you cannot accept this is beyond me.
I trust these Japanese publications 1000x more than italian or british press. Especially when they are Japanese writers quoting Japanese personnel.

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How about this idea.... Honda builds an entire new engine for 2027 and try to test it during the 2nd half of the 2026 season, if they can do it within the rules ?


For me to even propose that idea, I wish I did not have to since I'm a Honda fan. But, Honda has shown now since 2000 that they can not develop a reliable powerful F1 engine right out of the box the way that BMW, Toyota, Audi have. And, Honda does not have the continuity of Mercedes, Ferrari or Renault.

Toyota's F1 engine was designed, built and assembled in Germany by German engineers.

The EU automakers have shown they are better at designing and building a reliable powerful F1 engine right away ready for race 1 in Australia.
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ispano6 wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 03:36
mzso wrote:
27 Mar 2026, 23:33

Though you highlighted struts, in no way he says it's because, or for the chassis. I guess the K might be vibrating around because it's only mounted at one end to the engine, which could certainly magnify the problem. Struts would help here for sure. He also says that the PU is the cause that generates the vibrations.
つっかえ棒のような部品. (a part like a "strut or brace" is for the area of the chassis that is vibrating)

I literally translated it twice in that entry that has the same meaning.

And yes, it does support my initial conjecture about chassis vibrations.

The issue alone is not due to the PU. The chassis itself contributes. Why you cannot accept this is beyond me.
I trust these Japanese publications 1000x more than italian or british press. Especially when they are Japanese writers quoting Japanese personnel.
Those people, including the drivers, are always in this predicament where they need to say something without actually saying anything or giving anything away. So it’s always about reading through layers of innuendo. It’s really hard to understand anything through all of that.

I think this is actually the worst-case scenario. My money is on them not having a clue what the problem is. If they knew what the problem was, they wouldn’t be wasting time trying to isolate the battery and the steering wheel from the vibrations. They would just tell us when they’ll fix it and explain what needs to be changed.

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Aston Martin is 1 second behind the Cadillac. Its Unbelieveable.

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The chassis and engine are both gp2 level

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SSJ4 wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 05:57
The chassis and engine are both gp2 level
By now I also thought it is because of lack of power but no, car is also bad.

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etusch wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 08:23
SSJ4 wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 05:57
The chassis and engine are both gp2 level
By now I also thought it is because of lack of power but no, car is also bad.
First look at telemetry, then talk....

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Does anyone have telemetry? so we can look at the times in the corners vs the straights?

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 08:44
etusch wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 08:23
SSJ4 wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 05:57
The chassis and engine are both gp2 level
By now I also thought it is because of lack of power but no, car is also bad.
First look at telemetry, then talk....
What telemetry says? Are they only loose straights? Can we see best times at first sector? While battery full. I don’t think they can’t run engine full power or close to it at least one q lap.
When they improved 2 sec at first race was it because of pu or chassis? So maybe you read it but wrong ?