Very solid midfield team, indeed, perfect to fight for last points positions in each race.JordanMugen wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:37That's unfair, Hadjar - Linblad would be a solid driver lineup.
Very solid midfield team, indeed, perfect to fight for last points positions in each race.JordanMugen wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:37That's unfair, Hadjar - Linblad would be a solid driver lineup.
There's nothing wrong with that! Red Bull are no more entitled to fight for victories as Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren-Mercedes or any other emerging top team like Alpine-Mercedes, Audi or Williams-Mercedes.Rikhart wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:39Very solid midfield team, indeed, perfect to fight for last points positions in each race.JordanMugen wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:37That's unfair, Hadjar - Linblad would be a solid driver lineup.
That's exactly where they are with the Verstappens.Rikhart wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:39Very solid midfield team, indeed, perfect to fight for last points positions in each race.JordanMugen wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:37That's unfair, Hadjar - Linblad would be a solid driver lineup.
I think refining/polishing an established car concept is entirely different than creating a brand new platform from scratch. I wait a bit more to give them a chance to tune the car & reduce the weight etc.JordanMugen wrote: ↑30 Mar 2026, 00:18
Wache's team that developed a strong RB21 that lost the WDC by only 2 points has obviously not forgotten how to develop a racing car.

How many championships would they have without Max in recent years? People forget that Max has literally carried the team, while teammates can't handle the unbalanced car. Now they have Wache's masterpiece, a designer that Horner praised.Matt-A wrote:That's exactly where they are with the Verstappens.Rikhart wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:39Very solid midfield team, indeed, perfect to fight for last points positions in each race.JordanMugen wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:37That's unfair, Hadjar - Linblad would be a solid driver lineup.
Lol.
Hadjar and Lindblad wouldn't be capable of scoring any points on merit in this car. Hadjar scored in china only because of multiple DNFs ahead of him, and even there he was lucky to get back to the field thanks to the SC. RB21 wasn't strong, if you take developments into account. They were the only team that kept on investing in the car all year long whereas Mclaren for example barely touched their car since few months into the season and still held significant advantage all the way until the end staying by far the best car. Mercedes and Ferrari were not developing anything as well.JordanMugen wrote: ↑30 Mar 2026, 00:18There's nothing wrong with that! Red Bull are no more entitled to fight for victories as Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren-Mercedes or any other emerging top team like Alpine-Mercedes, Audi or Williams-Mercedes.Rikhart wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:39Very solid midfield team, indeed, perfect to fight for last points positions in each race.JordanMugen wrote: ↑29 Mar 2026, 23:37
That's unfair, Hadjar - Linblad would be a solid driver lineup.
It's hard to say if the Red Bull Ford power unit is competitive with the best or not, but in any case there is low hanging fruit in terms of an overweight car and very poor balance that will give a lot of lap time when, or if, they are fixed.
Wache's team that developed a strong RB21 that lost the WDC by only 2 points has obviously not forgotten how to develop a racing car.
I think such driver like Leclerc or Norris would’ve definitely won one…in 2023, probably 2022 as well only because of Ferrari engine reliability issues. Thats about it.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑30 Mar 2026, 08:59How many championships would they have without Max in recent years? People forget that Max has literally carried the team, while teammates can't handle the unbalanced car. Now they have Wache's masterpiece, a designer that Horner praised.
Leclerc made a lot of mistakes '22.avantman wrote:I think such driver like Leclerc or Norris would’ve definitely won one…in 2023, probably 2022 as well only because of Ferrari engine reliability issues. Thats about it.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑30 Mar 2026, 08:59How many championships would they have without Max in recent years? People forget that Max has literally carried the team, while teammates can't handle the unbalanced car. Now they have Wache's masterpiece, a designer that Horner praised.Matt-A wrote: That's exactly where they are with the Verstappens.
Lol.
Assuming Checo would not have won the two championships where he finished second and third and RB won the constructors titles, they would still have 8 championships. Only 6 were added with Verstappen and Perez.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑30 Mar 2026, 08:59How many championships would they have without Max in recent years? People forget that Max has literally carried the team, while teammates can't handle the unbalanced car. Now they have Wache's masterpiece, a designer that Horner praised.
A meaningless fact at this point in time.Matt-A wrote: ↑30 Mar 2026, 14:49Assuming Checo would not have won the two championships where he finished second and third and RB won the constructors titles, they would still have 8 championships. Only 6 were added with Verstappen and Perez.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑30 Mar 2026, 08:59How many championships would they have without Max in recent years? People forget that Max has literally carried the team, while teammates can't handle the unbalanced car. Now they have Wache's masterpiece, a designer that Horner praised.Matt-A wrote:
That's exactly where they are with the Verstappens.
Lol.
Without Christian Horner, Red Bull have won zero championships.
He has been there for all 14 titles. Without Horner I think there is considerable risk that RB are more likely to leave F1 than they are to ever win a championship again.
Newey designed the cars, even with sh*tty Renault engine. Marko found Vettel and Verstappen.Matt-A wrote:Assuming Checo would not have won the two championships where he finished second and third and RB won the constructors titles, they would still have 8 championships. Only 6 were added with Verstappen and Perez.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑30 Mar 2026, 08:59How many championships would they have without Max in recent years? People forget that Max has literally carried the team, while teammates can't handle the unbalanced car. Now they have Wache's masterpiece, a designer that Horner praised.Matt-A wrote: That's exactly where they are with the Verstappens.
Lol.
Without Christian Horner, Red Bull have won zero championships.
He has been there for all 14 titles. Without Horner I think there is considerable risk that RB are more likely to leave F1 than they are to ever win a championship again.
I do hope an extensive check is completed on Hadjar's car. To have respectable qualifying pace and have sectors like that is most strange