2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

[bananapeel23]

If its granted they can improve the engine, what it the timescale for the release of that upgrade?

The rumour mill seems to suggest that the engine is more or less ready.

[bananapeel23]

Which of the following information from the Italian media is pure fantasy, and which is actually feasible?

Key Technical Upgrades:

Combustion & Fuel: A new piston crown design and high-pressure fuel from Shell allow the ICE to hit the 16:1 compression limit. This generates "virtual horsepower," reducing the burden on the MGU-K.

Just this paragraph alone makes the story suspect, a "piston crown" is hardware and that is homlogated. Fuel is also homlogated, so where does new fuel come from?

The piston crown and fuel can be rehomologated under ADUO according to Section C, appendix C4, table 1. Under items 1 and 79.

[SoulPancake13]

AutoRacer has just said that Ferrari are ~30 HP down on Mercedes, which would put them in the 4% ADUO range.

Also said the new engine wouldn't come until July.

Seems like Tondi and Serra totally cooked on the chassis side then... such a shame Zimmerman totally screwed up on the engine.

[ScuderiaLeo]

AutoRacer has just said that Ferrari are ~30 HP down on Mercedes, which would put them in the 4% ADUO range.

Also said the new engine wouldn't come until July.

Seems like Tondi and Serra totally cooked on the chassis side then... such a shame Zimmerman totally screwed up on the engine.

30 HP is a ridiculous number. I still don't truly believe it but imagine if it's true, if this car had a proper engine from day 1, we could be seeing them get 1-2 by 20 seconds

I'll gladly take being wrong and have them win every race later this year.

Given that multiple journalists from different countries have now claimed they'll meet 4% ADUO, maybe there is merit. At least, people in the paddock believe it's true.

[SoulPancake13]

AutoRacer has just said that Ferrari are ~30 HP down on Mercedes, which would put them in the 4% ADUO range.

Also said the new engine wouldn't come until July.

Seems like Tondi and Serra totally cooked on the chassis side then... such a shame Zimmerman totally screwed up on the engine.

30 HP is a ridiculous number. I still don't truly believe it but imagine if it's true, if this car had a proper engine from day 1, we could be seeing them get 1-2 by 20 seconds

I'll gladly take being wrong and have them win every race later this year.

Given that multiple journalists from different countries have now claimed they'll meet 4% ADUO, maybe there is merit. At least, people in the paddock believe it's true.

Rosario Giuliana is saying this is from FIA data. I have no reason to distrust them

[CRazyLemon]

Which of the following information from the Italian media is pure fantasy, and which is actually feasible?

Key Technical Upgrades:

Combustion & Fuel: A new piston crown design and high-pressure fuel from Shell allow the ICE to hit the 16:1 compression limit. This generates "virtual horsepower," reducing the burden on the MGU-K.

Just this paragraph alone makes the story suspect, a "piston crown" is hardware and that is homlogated. Fuel is also homlogated, so where does new fuel come from?

The piston crown and fuel can be rehomologated under ADUO according to Section C, appendix C4, table 1. Under items 1 and 79.

Agreed, but the context of the quote was for a Miami upgrade.

[F1NAC]

AutoRacer has just said that Ferrari are ~30 HP down on Mercedes, which would put them in the 4% ADUO range.

Also said the new engine wouldn't come until July.

Seems like Tondi and Serra totally cooked on the chassis side then... such a shame Zimmerman totally screwed up on the engine.

I'll gladly take being wrong and have them win every race later this year.

Channeling you inner Binotto I see..

[bananapeel23]

AutoRacer has just said that Ferrari are ~30 HP down on Mercedes, which would put them in the 4% ADUO range.

Also said the new engine wouldn't come until July.

Seems like Tondi and Serra totally cooked on the chassis side then... such a shame Zimmerman totally screwed up on the engine.

That would mean that the upgrade would arrive before round 9 (Silverstone) or round 10 (Spa, more likely I think).

Also I don’t necessarily think they’ve done a terrible job. I suspect that they were likely in ADUO 1 territory, then chose to sandbag their way to ADUO 2, given that they were the clear number 2 regardless.

Either way the engine is at least very reliable and driveable, and also clearly VERY good at race starts and appears to suffer from less turbo lag in general, which helps energy management. It’s not great a great PU, but I think it would be a stretch to call it a total screw up.

[wowgr8]

30hp is mindblowing. No wonder AutoRacer said they expected Ferrari to be struggling to get into Q3, if I heard those sorts of numbers in the winter I would have expected to see a 2020-like season

[f1316]

I can’t believe it’s 30hp tbh - it would basically mean the Mercedes chassis is over 3% worse which would be surprising.

I do keep reading that they plan to have an engine upgrade actually raced in Miami which I find surprising. I know it’s not yet official how the cancelled races will impact ADUO timelines but there seems to be some suggestion that the assessment has already happened and been granted, with implementation possibly as soon as the next race. Do we think that’s really going to happen? If so, it would imply that the ‘proper’ 2026 is already ready to go - this could make a certain sense if they always new that the race one engine was likely massively down on power and were essentially always expecting to be able to use the first ADUO to introduce the full 2026 spec (while giving themselves a few more months to make it work properly).

[ScuderiaLeo]

I can’t believe it’s 30hp tbh - it would basically mean the Mercedes chassis is over 3% worse which would be surprising.

I do keep reading that they plan to have an engine upgrade actually raced in Miami which I find surprising. I know it’s not yet official how the cancelled races will impact ADUO timelines but there seems to be some suggestion that the assessment has already happened and been granted, with implementation possibly as soon as the next race. Do we think that’s really going to happen? If so, it would imply that the ‘proper’ 2026 is already ready to go - this could make a certain sense if they always new that the race one engine was likely massively down on power and were essentially always expecting to be able to use the first ADUO to introduce the full 2026 spec (while giving themselves a few more months to make it work properly).

Didn't AR just say that the engine won't come until July? They reaffirmed it yesterday unless there's something new today?

They need to produce engines not only for themselves but also their customers. I can't imagine they do all that before Miami.

[johnnycesup]

I can’t believe it’s 30hp tbh - it would basically mean the Mercedes chassis is over 3% worse which would be surprising.

Laptime is not linear with engine power, far from it. The difference between the Monza pole laps in 2004 (>950 hp V10) and 2006 (<800 hp V8) was just under 2% for a 15% difference in power.

I do keep reading that they plan to have an engine upgrade actually raced in Miami which I find surprising.

Yeah, that's just BS in my opinion.

[Brahmal]

Also I don’t necessarily think they’ve done a terrible job. I suspect that they were likely in ADUO 1 territory, then chose to sandbag their way to ADUO 2, given that they were the clear number 2 regardless.

I see a lot of people who seem to assume that the ADUO process can be easily hoodwinked and manipulated by the engine manufacturers. This is incorrect. The FIA have complete access to the entire ECU and will know if teams are running detuned settings. They have examples of these power units running on the dyno, outside of the vehicles. The manufacturers with customer teams cannot and would not force their clients to sandbag for their own benefit. This whole idea is a fallacy, please stop.

[Seanspeed]

I can’t believe it’s 30hp tbh - it would basically mean the Mercedes chassis is over 3% worse which would be surprising.

You can watch the onboards and telemetry and know full well Mercedes' chassis is pretty comparable with Ferrari's overall, if not better. In fact, Mercedes' car actually looks overall a fair bit more stable and planted than Ferrari. Their laptimes come absolutely effortlessly.

30hp is not remotely believable. Italian sources get like 1 in 20 claims right and that carries their credibility for years somehow.

[LurkingMostly]

I do keep reading that they plan to have an engine upgrade actually raced in Miami which I find surprising.

I think Ferrari is bringing software updates to Miami. Definitely too early for hardware upgrades.

Italian sources get like 1 in 20 claims right and that carries their credibility for years somehow.

That's a generalization. When Autoracer leaks something, 90% of the times it's true. They're not held in high regard for nothing.