Concept power units from 2030

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Zynerji wrote:
23 May 2026, 23:16
Wait a second. I'm down with deleting 100% of the driver controls beyond steering, shifting, brake balance and differential control.
I'd argue gear changing is not about driver skill. It's due to shortcomings of the RPM-range of the engine. One pedal for accelleration +/- and a steering wheel is all you need. Or maybe a separate pedal for braking. Everything else is "Nintendo".

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
24 May 2026, 19:43
Zynerji wrote:
23 May 2026, 23:16
... Any tool that allows the driver to have direct control of mid-corner car balancing are exactly what I feel should be added. Then it becomes skill, and not automated.
aeroplane drivers have been doing this for 100 years ie differential braking (also differential throttling)

it seems implausible to use one MG via some weird, complicated and wasteful mechanical variable differential .....
when two (smaller) independent MGs could be used without any mechanical differential
signal arithmetic ie summing & differencing small voltages is far better than summing and differencing actual forces
Nissan Juke AWD rear diff does it... Its not beyond the F1 teams ability. I think it would even be legal under current rules as the driver already has the ability to change the diff settings. it would just be moving them to a digital-proportional trigger instead of a turn-knob.

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Zynerji wrote:
25 May 2026, 02:28
Nissan Juke AWD rear diff does it... Its not beyond the F1 teams ability. I think it would even be legal under current rules as the driver already has the ability to change the diff settings. it would just be moving them to a digital-proportional trigger instead of a turn-knob.
that 'L.S.D' is just an active fiddle brake
(manual fiddle brakes were/are eg a key part of trials driving UK-style)

it works by wasting energy

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
24 May 2026, 19:43
it seems implausible to use one MG via some weird, complicated and wasteful mechanical variable differential .....
when two (smaller) independent MGs could be used without any mechanical differential
signal arithmetic ie summing & differencing small voltages is far better than summing and differencing actual forces
That's the argument Lucid make for their double rear MG as well.

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
25 May 2026, 11:12
Zynerji wrote:
25 May 2026, 02:28
Nissan Juke AWD rear diff does it... Its not beyond the F1 teams ability. I think it would even be legal under current rules as the driver already has the ability to change the diff settings. it would just be moving them to a digital-proportional trigger instead of a turn-knob.
that 'L.S.D' is just an active fiddle brake
(manual fiddle brakes were/are eg a key part of trials driving UK-style)

it works by wasting energy
The electromagnetic, torque vectoring differential that I used as an example is NOT a LSD...

And splitting between 50/50 and 0/100 doesn't seem to be much of an energy waste. (some I'm sure, but minimal if you compare the AWD vs FWD mpg statistics)

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Zynerji wrote:
25 May 2026, 14:31
Tommy Cookers wrote:
25 May 2026, 11:12
Zynerji wrote:
25 May 2026, 02:28
Nissan Juke AWD rear diff does it... Its not beyond the F1 teams ability. I think it would even be legal under current rules as the driver already has the ability to change the diff settings. it would just be moving them to a digital-proportional trigger instead of a turn-knob.
that 'L.S.D' is just an active fiddle brake
(manual fiddle brakes were/are eg a key part of trials driving UK-style)
it works by wasting energy
The electromagnetic, torque vectoring differential that I used as an example is NOT a LSD...
And splitting between 50/50 and 0/100 doesn't seem to be much of an energy waste. (some I'm sure, but minimal if you compare the AWD vs FWD mpg statistics)
you wrote Nissan Juke AWD
so I looked at Nissan Juke AWD

did you mean Nissan Juke AWD-V ?
(yes there is such a thing)

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
25 May 2026, 18:10
Zynerji wrote:
25 May 2026, 14:31
Tommy Cookers wrote:
25 May 2026, 11:12

that 'L.S.D' is just an active fiddle brake
(manual fiddle brakes were/are eg a key part of trials driving UK-style)
it works by wasting energy
The electromagnetic, torque vectoring differential that I used as an example is NOT a LSD...
And splitting between 50/50 and 0/100 doesn't seem to be much of an energy waste. (some I'm sure, but minimal if you compare the AWD vs FWD mpg statistics)
you wrote Nissan Juke AWD
so I looked at Nissan Juke AWD

did you mean Nissan Juke AWD-V ?
(yes there is such a thing)
I that the vector one? :roll:

On a technical forum, I never seem to expect these kinds of questions as even a partial attempt at critical thinking would normally yield an obvious answer.