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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 18:19
Bill wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 09:11
zoroastar wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 06:53
has anybody noticed that as soon as alonso goes to any team the page numbers for that team in here go up and up? even when aston were doing awful for 3 years straight theres a certain contingancy that are going to follow. there was a boost when honda joined too, and newey of course. what im trying to say is tsunoda, drugovich or crawford aint alonso. not on the track, nor in the sponsors eyes. if you think that aston arent worried of losing alonso, because they can easily scoop up crawford or tsunoda even, youre out of touch. alonso, leclerc, max and hamilton are A tier and tsunoda, albon are B tier.. jak crawford is C tier in the ratings. aston and all their sponsors want to have an A tier driver. especially until they can get this project up and moving.


some things that can tell you when a driver isnt A-tier are: 1 you are thoroughly dominated by any teammate. 2 you have been subsequently "let go" by the team afterwords. 3 the general fact that people find it unlikely that youll ever win a championship, whether its because you wont get into a top team, or because of the high likelyhood that your teammate will beat you if you do. :lol:
Alonso was nothing special against Ocon .being paired against an unmotivated Stroll is faltering him ,he was making notable mistakes last year. He is still good but not 2012 good ,if he was in the best car and fighting against the like of Max and Charles i think he will have a tough time especially over one lap. Aston are in the rebuilding process they can afford not to have a top driver
50% the car was brake down under Alonso ,or something technical issues.
People who say Alonso was nothing special against Ocon did not watch the season or are being disingenuous. Alonso's race pace was better or a lot better than Ocon's for most of the season in 2022. Equivalent levels of reliability means Alonso finishes with 60 or 70 more points than Ocon. That is not factoring that Alonso had to overextend the remaining engines he had left throughout the season after losing two in Saudi Arabia and Australia.

Renault's engines were notorious for losing power after having 2K kilometers or more on them, and Alonso spent more time racing exhausted engines than Ocon did.

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TyreSlip wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 18:39
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 18:19
Bill wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 09:11

Alonso was nothing special against Ocon .being paired against an unmotivated Stroll is faltering him ,he was making notable mistakes last year. He is still good but not 2012 good ,if he was in the best car and fighting against the like of Max and Charles i think he will have a tough time especially over one lap. Aston are in the rebuilding process they can afford not to have a top driver
50% the car was brake down under Alonso ,or something technical issues.
People who say Alonso was nothing special against Ocon did not watch the season or are being disingenuous. Alonso's race pace was better or a lot better than Ocon's for most of the season in 2022. Equivalent levels of reliability means Alonso finishes with 60 or 70 more points than Ocon. That is not factoring that Alonso had to overextend the remaining engines he had left throughout the season after losing two in Saudi Arabia and Australia.

Renault's engines were notorious for losing power after having 2K kilometers or more on them, and Alonso spent more time racing exhausted engines than Ocon did.
I think your point would be made clearer if you said that Alonso car was retired 6 times that year vs 2 times for Ocon. That doesn't include the number of time Alonso was DNF'd in Qualifing.

That being said Ocon was closer to Alonso than Stroll is. The biggest problem with Ocon has always been his attitude. As he gets older, and the edge comes off him, he might become a valuable #2 driver. He has to be told he is a #2 driver and he has to behave like one. Naturally the team needs to want to have a number 1 and a number 2. I remember several times in 2022 that Ocon would block Alonso, who was on fresher tires, and in the struggle with Alonso allow other cars pass both him and Alonso. Nonsense, Just let him pass, then later he'll let you pass if you're on fresher tires.

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Bill wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 09:11
zoroastar wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 06:53
has anybody noticed that as soon as alonso goes to any team the page numbers for that team in here go up and up? even when aston were doing awful for 3 years straight theres a certain contingancy that are going to follow. there was a boost when honda joined too, and newey of course. what im trying to say is tsunoda, drugovich or crawford aint alonso. not on the track, nor in the sponsors eyes. if you think that aston arent worried of losing alonso, because they can easily scoop up crawford or tsunoda even, youre out of touch. alonso, leclerc, max and hamilton are A tier and tsunoda, albon are B tier.. jak crawford is C tier in the ratings. aston and all their sponsors want to have an A tier driver. especially until they can get this project up and moving.


some things that can tell you when a driver isnt A-tier are: 1 you are thoroughly dominated by any teammate. 2 you have been subsequently "let go" by the team afterwords. 3 the general fact that people find it unlikely that youll ever win a championship, whether its because you wont get into a top team, or because of the high likelyhood that your teammate will beat you if you do. :lol:
Alonso was nothing special against Ocon .being paired against an unmotivated Stroll is faltering him ,he was making notable mistakes last year. He is still good but not 2012 good ,if he was in the best car and fighting against the like of Max and Charles i think he will have a tough time especially over one lap. Aston are in the rebuilding process they can afford not to have a top driver
2021 Alonso fractured his jaw before the season and had metal plates during a part of the season. Also didn’t get the power steering he requested until France which was round 9 iirc.

2022 he was way way quicker in race trim. He’s had consistent wrist issues since that Australia crash when he lost the hydraulics. Then alpine wouldn’t give him fresh engine components or updates when he announced the Aston Martin move.



It was in Qatar last year when he put the car
In p4 in sprint qualy and put the car on p1 in sq2 in Brazil. Only driver to stop Norris from topping every session iirc.

Give him a quick car he would get the max out of it. In qualy trim its debatable. But absolutely not in race trim. He would compete with all the perceived top drivers. Just look at the line he took against albon. No other driver was taking those lines. His race craft and tyre management is top 2 minimum.

Anyways let’s hope Honda has improved the handling a bit more for Monza

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I think Aston wants a marketable person in the seat, even a slightly slower and older Alonso is far more marketable than Ocon. Ocon seems to cause more trouble than he's worth.

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604gtir wrote:
01 Sep 2026, 04:43
I think Aston wants a marketable person in the seat, even a slightly slower and older Alonso is far more marketable than Ocon. Ocon seems to cause more trouble than he's worth.
From Ocon's history he is too much trouble but people change. Maybe being let go at Alpine changed him.

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Not expecting a whole lot this weekend. I expect a fight at the back with Cadillac. Perhaps Williams will be much further up the grid since they love this track. Honda drivability will still be in R&D mode. Hopefully in Madrid it will be better

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Maybe they will put on some low drag aero (upside down rear wing?) or maybe they won't bother, since the PU will be holding them back at this track anyway? We'll see.

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Give him a quick car he would get the max out of it. In qualy trim its debatable. But absolutely not in race trim. He would compete with all the perceived top drivers. Just look at the line he took against albon. No other driver was taking those lines. His race craft and tyre management is top 2 minimum.
Except that race and qualification trim are the same as no setup changes except wing angle are allowed after the start of qualification. Of course during qualification they run minimum fuel load.

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(translated with deepL)
Aston Martin: Newey’s plan is taking shape, but Honda is still 70hp short
Piergiuseppe Donadoni

Aston Martin realised months ago that a change was needed. The AMR26, designed with an extreme aerodynamic philosophy, did not deliver the results the team had expected and, after months of development, the project began to take a different direction on the track as well. The updates introduced, particularly in Hungary but also in the Netherlands, are therefore not simply a new aerodynamic package but represent a genuine change of direction.

Aston Martin: the new AMR26-B wins Alonso over
The initial concept based on high-rake – so dear to Adrian Newey – proved too difficult to exploit under the 2026 regulations. The idea was ambitious: to utilise a greater rake angle to feed the underbody and build an extremely efficient aerodynamic platform. In reality, however, Aston Martin failed to ensure the rear had the flow stability required for that concept to work to its full potential. And so Newey had to acknowledge that the path taken was not the right one and correct it.

A very comprehensive package arrived in Budapest, capable of modifying various elements of the AMR26 and, above all, bringing the car’s behaviour closer to that of the other cars on the grid. Work continued at Zandvoort with further modifications, confirming that Aston Martin has established a new development base, which will be further updated between Monza and Baku, including in terms of weight (one of the AMR26’s most pressing issues at the start of the season).

However, the return to a more conventional configuration should not be interpreted as a definitive abandonment of the high-rake setup. On the contrary, it could be exactly the opposite, given that Aston Martin is reportedly building the necessary platform today to be able to raise the rake again tomorrow.

The regulatory changes planned by the FIA for 2027, particularly those affecting the front section of the flat underbody, will alter the way teams manage airflow beneath the car; a concept that is currently difficult to make work could therefore become much more interesting under the new regulations, according to a leading engineer currently working in F1.

And this is where Newey could return to the forefront. The work carried out over the course of this season, which has helped to better understand the new aerodynamic platform, paves the way for what could be the next step: gradually returning to that higher-rake philosophy which, with the AMR26-B, had to be scaled back.

Aston Martin: Honda’s delay is a cause for serious concern
But there is a problem. And it is not a minor one. It is called the Honda Power Unit. Because whilst the chassis finally seems to have taken a truly promising direction, the Japanese engine continues to be the AMR26’s main limitation. At Zandvoort, Honda introduced an update delivering around 17hp, 2 tenths as anticipated – a good increase but still far from the potential the new specification can actually deliver (30hp). This was also confirmed by Honda itself in recent hours via Shintaro Orihara: “Performance will improve as we implement measures and continue with optimisation”. However, complicating matters over the Dutch weekend was the fact that the power gain was virtually imperceptible in terms of lap times, as the new engine specification had already experienced significant issues with optimising its utilisation during the filming day in Hungary. We won’t go into too much detail, but there is talk of an engine braking setting during downshifting and erratic braking, as well as the torque curve during acceleration and other minor issues.

According to information held by AutoRacer, the Honda Power Unit is still some 70hp short of Mercedes, which is currently the benchmark for everyone in the field. This gap, on average, amounts to around 1.2 seconds per lap and, crucially, is not a deficit that Honda will be able to close with a single update. An engine specialist close to the Ferrari camp believes that it could take as long as two years of development to fully close a gap of this magnitude, as anticipated in the last YouTube live stream. This suggests just how complex the road ahead is for the Japanese engine manufacturer.

Within Aston Martin, the situation is therefore being viewed with a certain degree of despondency. It is no coincidence that the Silverstone-based team’s management has already held talks with Mercedes and Red Bull Powertrains to explore the possibility (as things stand, remote) of them supplying engines from the 2028 season onwards. Whilst the chassis project is finally beginning to deliver, there is a feeling that the potential of the 2027 car will continue to be heavily hampered by a Power Unit that is not up to scratch.

Honda, for its part, maintains a more positive outlook, even though the Japanese manufacturer does not expect to start 2027 with the best engine on the grid. The aim, however, is to use the winter and the coming season to continue making up ground, in the belief that it can make a significant leap forward during 2027 itself.

And this is Aston Martin’s real gamble. Whilst Newey has already addressed the present to build the future in the very short term, Honda must accept that it is not yet able to bridge the gap quickly. And whilst the chassis, after a difficult few months, seems to have finally found its direction, the engine, on the other hand, remains a long way off.

So there is just one question: when will Aston Martin finally manage to combine world-class aerodynamics with a Power Unit that’s up to the task? That 45-year-old, Fernando Alonso, would love to have the answer straight away, however; he has found the answers he was looking for on the car side and is therefore increasingly inclined to renew his contract to see what might happen next season.
https://autoracer.it/aston-martin-piano ... ower-unit/

imo they put the blame a bit too much on Honda considering how underwhelming this team has been for 3 years with merc engines but there is useful information there. looks like i got the 1.2s right at least :)

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KimiRai wrote:
01 Sep 2026, 21:23
(translated with deepL)
Aston Martin: Newey’s plan is taking shape, but Honda is still 70hp short
Piergiuseppe Donadoni

Aston Martin realised months ago that a change was needed. The AMR26, designed with an extreme aerodynamic philosophy, did not deliver the results the team had expected and, after months of development, the project began to take a different direction on the track as well. The updates introduced, particularly in Hungary but also in the Netherlands, are therefore not simply a new aerodynamic package but represent a genuine change of direction.

Aston Martin: the new AMR26-B wins Alonso over
The initial concept based on high-rake – so dear to Adrian Newey – proved too difficult to exploit under the 2026 regulations. The idea was ambitious: to utilise a greater rake angle to feed the underbody and build an extremely efficient aerodynamic platform. In reality, however, Aston Martin failed to ensure the rear had the flow stability required for that concept to work to its full potential. And so Newey had to acknowledge that the path taken was not the right one and correct it.

A very comprehensive package arrived in Budapest, capable of modifying various elements of the AMR26 and, above all, bringing the car’s behaviour closer to that of the other cars on the grid. Work continued at Zandvoort with further modifications, confirming that Aston Martin has established a new development base, which will be further updated between Monza and Baku, including in terms of weight (one of the AMR26’s most pressing issues at the start of the season).

However, the return to a more conventional configuration should not be interpreted as a definitive abandonment of the high-rake setup. On the contrary, it could be exactly the opposite, given that Aston Martin is reportedly building the necessary platform today to be able to raise the rake again tomorrow.

The regulatory changes planned by the FIA for 2027, particularly those affecting the front section of the flat underbody, will alter the way teams manage airflow beneath the car; a concept that is currently difficult to make work could therefore become much more interesting under the new regulations, according to a leading engineer currently working in F1.

And this is where Newey could return to the forefront. The work carried out over the course of this season, which has helped to better understand the new aerodynamic platform, paves the way for what could be the next step: gradually returning to that higher-rake philosophy which, with the AMR26-B, had to be scaled back.

Aston Martin: Honda’s delay is a cause for serious concern
But there is a problem. And it is not a minor one. It is called the Honda Power Unit. Because whilst the chassis finally seems to have taken a truly promising direction, the Japanese engine continues to be the AMR26’s main limitation. At Zandvoort, Honda introduced an update delivering around 17hp, 2 tenths as anticipated – a good increase but still far from the potential the new specification can actually deliver (30hp). This was also confirmed by Honda itself in recent hours via Shintaro Orihara: “Performance will improve as we implement measures and continue with optimisation”. However, complicating matters over the Dutch weekend was the fact that the power gain was virtually imperceptible in terms of lap times, as the new engine specification had already experienced significant issues with optimising its utilisation during the filming day in Hungary. We won’t go into too much detail, but there is talk of an engine braking setting during downshifting and erratic braking, as well as the torque curve during acceleration and other minor issues.

According to information held by AutoRacer, the Honda Power Unit is still some 70hp short of Mercedes, which is currently the benchmark for everyone in the field. This gap, on average, amounts to around 1.2 seconds per lap and, crucially, is not a deficit that Honda will be able to close with a single update. An engine specialist close to the Ferrari camp believes that it could take as long as two years of development to fully close a gap of this magnitude, as anticipated in the last YouTube live stream. This suggests just how complex the road ahead is for the Japanese engine manufacturer.

Within Aston Martin, the situation is therefore being viewed with a certain degree of despondency. It is no coincidence that the Silverstone-based team’s management has already held talks with Mercedes and Red Bull Powertrains to explore the possibility (as things stand, remote) of them supplying engines from the 2028 season onwards. Whilst the chassis project is finally beginning to deliver, there is a feeling that the potential of the 2027 car will continue to be heavily hampered by a Power Unit that is not up to scratch.

Honda, for its part, maintains a more positive outlook, even though the Japanese manufacturer does not expect to start 2027 with the best engine on the grid. The aim, however, is to use the winter and the coming season to continue making up ground, in the belief that it can make a significant leap forward during 2027 itself.

And this is Aston Martin’s real gamble. Whilst Newey has already addressed the present to build the future in the very short term, Honda must accept that it is not yet able to bridge the gap quickly. And whilst the chassis, after a difficult few months, seems to have finally found its direction, the engine, on the other hand, remains a long way off.

So there is just one question: when will Aston Martin finally manage to combine world-class aerodynamics with a Power Unit that’s up to the task? That 45-year-old, Fernando Alonso, would love to have the answer straight away, however; he has found the answers he was looking for on the car side and is therefore increasingly inclined to renew his contract to see what might happen next season.
https://autoracer.it/aston-martin-piano ... ower-unit/

imo they put the blame a bit too much on Honda considering how underwhelming this team has been for 3 years but there is useful information there. looks like i got the 1.2s right at least :)
fia has already confirmed that ferrari audi and honda have pu deficit over 4 percent but less than 10 percent and with that will get 2 additional homologations in 2026 and 2 in 2027, together with corresponding cost cap and dyno testing increases.so the number that the italian publication does not match up to facts only gullible people would believe them.the mguk does not produce any power it only harvest and deploy so crank power from engine is still king.if honda was missing 70hp they would have qualified for more development opportunities .these point has already been raised before.fia is monitoring perfomance between pu and making them public so the era of media making up bs is over.

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Bill wrote:
01 Sep 2026, 22:08
KimiRai wrote:
01 Sep 2026, 21:23

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fia has already confirmed that ferrari audi and honda have pu deficit over 4 percent but less than 10 percent and with that will get 2 additional homologations in 2026 and 2 in 2027, together with corresponding cost cap and dyno testing increases.so the number that the italian publication does not match up to facts only gullible people would believe them.the mguk does not produce any power it only harvest and deploy so crank power from engine is still king.if honda was missing 70hp they would have qualified for more development opportunities .these point has already been raised before.fia is monitoring perfomance between pu and making them public so the era of media making up bs is over.
The FIA has only confirmed that Honda has a deficit higher than 4% and therefore qualifies for two additional homologations in 2026 and 2027, but not in which exact bracket it falls, it could theoretically be more than 10% (even though I doubt it)

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I hope with three free practice sessions this weekend, that Stroll and Alonso will run as many laps as possible to fine tune the Honda drivability issues. They really need to extract all 30hp + out of this new spec engine, if they don’t want to be fighting with Cadillac to be dead last on the grid again. I think the Honda PU unit looked better in race trim last time out, with better recharging/deployment than before, but still way off the leading PU’s. With only 2 tenths gained it is nowhere near enough from this upgrade, so Honda needs to work harder to extract more power to get an additional 2-3 tenths. If they can’t, then Lawrence Stroll should get a contract in place immediately for 2028 for a RBT PU, if Mercedes are locked out. Otherwise it will be 2-3 more years of being behind the leading engines waiting for Honda to come good. Alonso doesn’t have time for that, and neither does Aston Martin.

The chassis still needs improvements and it sounds like approximately 10kg of weight must be removed. That alone is around 3 tenths plus better battery utilization over the full Grand Prix distance. If Aston can shed the weight and move ballast around for a better balanced car, this should dramatically improve their pace.

I have very low expectations for this weekend as I think it will be a massive struggle with the track layout. How many kmh slower down the straight into turn 1 will Aston Martin be here from the leaders? 20kmh or more? I guess we are about to find out as there is nowhere to hide at the Temple of Speed without a strong PU in the back of the car.

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V10FURY wrote:
02 Sep 2026, 01:18
I hope with three free practice sessions this weekend, that Stroll and Alonso will run as many laps as possible to fine tune the Honda drivability issues. They really need to extract all 30hp + out of this new spec engine, if they don’t want to be fighting with Cadillac to be dead last on the grid again. I think the Honda PU unit looked better in race trim last time out, with better recharging/deployment than before, but still way off the leading PU’s. With only 2 tenths gained it is nowhere near enough from this upgrade, so Honda needs to work harder to extract more power to get an additional 2-3 tenths. If they can’t, then Lawrence Stroll should get a contract in place immediately for 2028 for a RBT PU, if Mercedes are locked out. Otherwise it will be 2-3 more years of being behind the leading engines waiting for Honda to come good. Alonso doesn’t have time for that, and neither does Aston Martin.

The chassis still needs improvements and it sounds like approximately 10kg of weight must be removed. That alone is around 3 tenths plus better battery utilization over the full Grand Prix distance. If Aston can shed the weight and move ballast around for a better balanced car, this should dramatically improve their pace.

I have very low expectations for this weekend as I think it will be a massive struggle with the track layout. How many kmh slower down the straight into turn 1 will Aston Martin be here from the leaders? 20kmh or more? I guess we are about to find out as there is nowhere to hide at the Temple of Speed without a strong PU in the back of the car.
The 3 FPs will help with the drivability. They'll have some updates ready for FP1. Then they have a small gap to make updates for FP2 and then a bigger overnight gap to make updates for FP3. Finally a small gap to qualifying. Wonder if the limited curves at Monza will limit the tuning that will be applicable to future tracks?
With regards to the ICE, it is my understanding that they can't turn the wick up one race. It will be in steps. They'll get the most that they can give.

Wonder if they take an ICE and start from the back?

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diffuser wrote:
02 Sep 2026, 03:03
Wonder if they take an ICE and start from the back?
That would be smart considering they cannot go the rest of the year with only this engine.

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diffuser wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 19:27
TyreSlip wrote:
31 Aug 2026, 18:39
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31 Aug 2026, 18:19


50% the car was brake down under Alonso ,or something technical issues.
People who say Alonso was nothing special against Ocon did not watch the season or are being disingenuous. Alonso's race pace was better or a lot better than Ocon's for most of the season in 2022. Equivalent levels of reliability means Alonso finishes with 60 or 70 more points than Ocon. That is not factoring that Alonso had to overextend the remaining engines he had left throughout the season after losing two in Saudi Arabia and Australia.

Renault's engines were notorious for losing power after having 2K kilometers or more on them, and Alonso spent more time racing exhausted engines than Ocon did.
I think your point would be made clearer if you said that Alonso car was retired 6 times that year vs 2 times for Ocon. That doesn't include the number of time Alonso was DNF'd in Qualifing.

That being said Ocon was closer to Alonso than Stroll is. The biggest problem with Ocon has always been his attitude. As he gets older, and the edge comes off him, he might become a valuable #2 driver. He has to be told he is a #2 driver and he has to behave like one. Naturally the team needs to want to have a number 1 and a number 2. I remember several times in 2022 that Ocon would block Alonso, who was on fresher tires, and in the struggle with Alonso allow other cars pass both him and Alonso. Nonsense, Just let him pass, then later he'll let you pass if you're on fresher tires.
It is complicated because of how many times either qualifying, a DNS in a sprint race, or a sick engine during the race led to compromised results that were not listed as DNFs. The Austria race is a good example. Not starting the sprint because of a faulty battery not only took away points from the sprint, but it forced Alonso to start dead last for the race (just the way the rules were in 2022). Alonso's pace should have been enough to overtake Ocon for 5th at the end, but an extra pitstop due to a wheel not being put on correctly turned what should have an amazing finish into a forgotten 10th place.

I noticed Ocon's behaviour for the first time at the Dutch Grand Prix in 2021. He made contact with Alonso twice off turn 1 and into turn 2 at the start, and Alonso got revenge by sweeping past him on the outside into turn 3. Ocon complained on the radio and wanted team orders to be ahead of Alonso, but Alonso pulled away the longer they ran. The behaviour continued into 2022 because the team did nothing to keep Ocon in line. I think Alonso said in Hungary that the only reason the team did not have two damaged cars was because of him.