Looking at Lando's lap, if he had a gotten a clean last corner he would been on pole by over 0.15s, so wouldn't really have mattered but it's still an area they are clearly lacking in.
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Almost did it, improved S3 and brought it below 31s, still not enough.venkyhere wrote: ↑12 Sep 2026, 14:52Madring Sector3 is a disaster.
either
the car is really bad in slow 90 degree turns (similar sector3 time as Aston Martin) that there is no scope for improvement via setup
or
Max is doing an AbuDhabi 2025 quali S3 here, intentionally driving suboptimally in S3 and then, Q2 onwards, show his hand.
I'm interested in that as well! I could only guess all on the electrical side may be less efficient and software may be a big differentiator as well.
Daz who is a redbull insider/employee mentioned sometime back that redbull lacks track characterization data. They got nothing from honda. Hence deployment struggles as others come prepared while redbull has to go through trial and error.
It was other topic but it was interesting that Max was saying that if there is lot of turbo lag you can spend lot of energy filling it in. This was more on context of having correct gear but it also sounded that gearing could be important for deployment.
Combo of what seems like a bigger turbo and more lag that needs to be torque filled by deployment and less training data for the software which leads to sub optimal decisions. I think here they were over deploying in S1 for top speed and reaching S3 with less available to punch out of the 90 degree corners.
Yeah probably sofware too. I think Max also said it after Q that they would liked to change deployment on S3 but their software is bit rigid and they could notgearboxtrouble wrote: ↑12 Sep 2026, 20:40Combo of what seems like a bigger turbo and more lag that needs to be torque filled by deployment and less training data for the software which leads to sub optimal decisions. I think here they were over deploying in S1 for top speed and reaching S3 with less available to punch out of the 90 degree corners.
Yeah probably sofware too. I think Max also said it after Q that they would liked to change deployment on S3 but their software is bit rigid and they could notgearboxtrouble wrote: ↑12 Sep 2026, 20:40Combo of what seems like a bigger turbo and more lag that needs to be torque filled by deployment and less training data for the software which leads to sub optimal decisions. I think here they were over deploying in S1 for top speed and reaching S3 with less available to punch out of the 90 degree corners.
"efficiency" of the power flow between mechanical and electric, involves things like magnetic hysterisis losses, IR losses, porportion of energy lost as heat from the chemical reactions in the battery cells itself (not counting the coolant circulation aggressivity required to remove heat, which in turn consumes some engine power).
Yeah, its strange. Maybe different battery chemistry, so merc can deploy better or regen better somehow?