2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[gnocchiF1]

The main issue is obviously the engine, but it looks like about 40% of the performance deficit comes from low and medium speed corners of sector 2. With a Mercedes Engine they would probably not have been better than 13-15th.

[diffuser]

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The main issue is obviously the engine, but it looks like about 40% of the performance deficit comes from low and medium speed corners of sector 2. With a Mercedes Engine they would probably not have been better than 13-15th.

Kind of an unfair comparison, You're comparing Alonso Q1 against Gasly's Q3 run. Alot more rubber is down by then.
This is better
[media]https://www.gp-tempo.com/app?year=2026& ... 2GAS%22%5D[/media]

[Ashwinv16]

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The main issue is obviously the engine, but it looks like about 40% of the performance deficit comes from low and medium speed corners of sector 2. With a Mercedes Engine they would probably not have been better than 13-15th.

Kind of an unfair comparison, You're comparing Alonso Q1 against Gasly's Q3 run. Alot more rubber is down by then.
This is better
https://www.gp-tempo.com/app?year=2026& ... 2GAS%22%5D

Especially on a street track. Unlike Madrid Alonso side managed to figure out something. We haven't had a smooth race since the Dutch GP. Honestly the concern is if the team can finish the race.

[mzso]

It is high time AMR start looking for alternative engine.

AMR took a big gamble with Honda. It failed.
Now, indeed they need to think quickly.
- They have Newey, good technical installation.
- There is a good chance that they will quickly do a good chassis
- But the engine won't be good

So for them is the question of 2030. Will Honda stay, commit to and do something good for 2030 ?
Who will be the driver then ? I love ALO but of course in 2030 he will be retired.

They currently are on a Toyota like trajectory, tons of money to withdraw at the end and sell the whole F1 team

In the other hand: Who can give an engine to Aston ? I only see RBPT but they have no capacity to provide a third team

What gamble? Honda was producing a top engine. It was not reasonable to expect it would turn out this way again.

Honestly, I still believe that in 2027: Honda won't do anything very different from what it's doing now, and I believe that by April we'll already have information on whether Aston Martin is returning to Mercedes or securing another supplier.I think the rumors about changes will start as early in the pre-season.

The problem with that, is that it's already too late. If no-one wants to give them a PU, the team with the lowest number of teams would be forced by the FIA to supply engines to them, if they break contract with Honda. New manufacturers are exempt for two seasons, so if they did that before the 2027 season starts it would be Ferrari.
But for 2028 it would be Audi, the second worst option. They would still have the weakest PU.

[mzso]

IMHO, you need a 3 year freeze to prep for new regs. So I wouldn't bet on new regs before they drop the freeze. Once they drop the freeze, the you know for certain when the new regs are coming.

I don't think any freeze is needed. There didn't use to be. And apparently it doesn't accomplish anything. For example see the situation Honda's in.

[diffuser]

IMHO, you need a 3 year freeze to prep for new regs. So I wouldn't bet on new regs before they drop the freeze. Once they drop the freeze, the you know for certain when the new regs are coming.

I don't think any freeze is needed. There didn't use to be. And apparently it doesn't accomplish anything. For example see the situation Honda's in.
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The FIA don't care what you and I think. Plus they already agreed to tweaking the rules for 2027 and 2028.

[zoroastar]

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The main issue is obviously the engine, but it looks like about 40% of the performance deficit comes from low and medium speed corners of sector 2. With a Mercedes Engine they would probably not have been better than 13-15th.

the difference in a track between Q1 and Q3 is more than the brain wants to imagine. you would need to take both cars Q1 laps to get any meaningful data. especially in corner performance.

edit: i see diffuser already pointed that out.

[zoroastar]

IMHO, you need a 3 year freeze to prep for new regs. So I wouldn't bet on new regs before they drop the freeze. Once they drop the freeze, the you know for certain when the new regs are coming.

I don't think any freeze is needed. There didn't use to be. And apparently it doesn't accomplish anything. For example see the situation Honda's in.

The FIA don't care what you and I think. Plus they already agreed to tweaking the rules for 2027 and 2028.
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i dont see how theyll have any time to do that, unless they just plan on handing mercedes 5 straight world championships. if they are still planning (as they were earlier this year) to shorten these regs to get v8s quicker. nobody is gonna agree to freeze their engines when theyre that far down on the leaders. we shall see how it plays out

[Ashwinv16]

By the way telemetry data shows Alonso lost 5 tenths on the turn 15 lock up. would have still been behind both Audi's. Race looks bleak cause Cadillac's are 10kmph faster on the straights. Alonso needs to get a electric start so that even if he drops places on the final straight he can move forward. Getting stuck behind Cadillac will be the big problem. Contrary to info there is going to be a lot of tyre graining despite what fp showed so lets see.

[diffuser]

By the way telemetry data shows Alonso lost 5 tenths on the turn 15 lock up. would have still been behind both Audi's. Race looks bleak cause Cadillac's are 10kmph faster on the straights. Alonso needs to get a electric start so that even if he drops places on the final straight he can move forward. Getting stuck behind Cadillac will be the big problem. Contrary to info there is going to be a lot of tyre graining despite what fp showed so lets see.

You mean on his last lap in Q1? He was up .2 on his fastest lap in sector 1, looked like he had a downshift problem. Live timing show he was green in all but 1 segment till he had the shift problem. Sector 2 ends on turn 16. Don't know how much faster he would have been had he not had the shift problem. Oh and he was yellow (0.15 slower than his personal best) in his sector 3 on his fastest lap in Q1. so he would have definitely improved in S3 as well. He might have split the Audis.

[zoroastar]

even with the longest straight in f1, baku has always surprised me with how important the curvy sections are during the race. the mclarens use to end up with better results than were suspected with a lack of power. im not saying theyll score points, but i wouldnt be surprised if they are faster than the cadillacs. but i wouldnt be too surprised if they are dead last either.

[collindsilva]

Audi and Racing bulls seems to be struggling here.
Audi had brought lot of upgrades, maybe they need time to dial it in.
what's with racing bulls..

[diffuser]

It's painful to watch. It's like we back to the beginning of the season where we were so noncompetitive it wasn't even funny.

[Rikrikrik]

It looked like things were going to improve after Hungary, but it’s clear that Honda failed again with the Spec 2: the engine is incredibly weak and has constant issues. Nothing changed it just brought more problems. I have absolutely no hope for 2027; it’s highly likely we’ll finish dead last again next year

[SchuMassa]

Honda must be forced out... And maybe even sued.