Alonso technical level

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Giblet wrote:Ah I see you like to break it down into 5 little mini arguments. Sigh. What are you, Kilcoo in disguise?
That's what quotes are for and that's what happens in proper discussions. ;-) Might help if you could do it.
I am not privy to any info to know that for sure. But to say he is not one of the best is denial at it's very best.
You're changing your argument (whatever it is) again.
Find me ONE quote about Alonso not being one of the best setup people. JUST one. You can't, because the truth is out there. I can continue to find quotes all day to the contrary of your stance.
Now that we've established that opinions are two a penny you now think that if we can't find anyone who disagrees with you then that proves........something.
Your lame attempt at quoting Domenicali has nothing to do with this discussion.
Well, if you go back through this thread and look at who quoted who then you'll find this stems from a comment by you about the 'dream move' to Ferrari. Domenicali is obviously heading off Alonso's past history because he fears it might not be a dream move. Since this stemmed from your comment...........you tell me whether it's got anything to do with it. :lol: Do try and follow who replied to who if you want to have any point at all.

In addition, you take quotes as facts and then choose to ignore the ones you don't like. Interesting.
A more useful quote would be from his engineers who said "We can't wait to start working with Alonso".
1. They're not going to say anything else.
2. As said, I'm sure you could find similar quotes if some other drivers had moved to Ferrari. Proves zilch.
I could have a giant picture on my wall of Alonso over my bed, but that would change the fact that he is a really good setup/technical/development driver.
I'm sure he is and that's not at issue, but it doesn't prove that he's better than everyone else as you and he thinks he is. If that's all you're trying to say then you're saying...........nothing.
Once you start attacking the poster and the way I post, you can tell you have nothing to go on.
It's just sad people get themselves into these mental states really.
Again, still waiting on one quote, or anything outside of your conjecture and opinion about weaknesses in Alonso's ability to develop a car.
It's not anyone else's argument to disprove, rather yours to prove.......because the assumption there is that what you say is simply right. :o You need to prove that he's better than any other and back up some of Alonso's ludicrous statements on the matter such as where his six tenths improvement comes from.

People always try and change the proof of burden when they're out of ideas. It's a well worn tac.
This is what I had typed before i realized it is pointless to argue someone who just argues whatever is posted, and not the facts.
You've posted no facts whatsoever apart from a handful of quotes and your opinion. Islamatron is going on what we can see - results - and asking whether those results are reasonably repeatable.
Alonso never said Mclaren was his dream team, you just said that. Where did you get that info from? Made it up?
Hmmmmm, well reading what's been written might help. No I didn't say that it was his 'dream team' but that he has come out with the well worked "It was my dream to drive for McLaren since I was [enter age here]" on many occasions:
"Since I was a boy I had always wanted to drive for McLaren"....
That was just when he left! I bit of reading might not go amiss. The soundbites mean very little.

It's always sad when someone knows he's having a tough time proving his argument who tries to nitpick small details to try and score small victories..........and you can't even get that right. #-o
I have yet to find a quote from anyone but you or ISLAMATRON about Alonso being anything but rated very highly in the areas of technical ability I said.
Proves nothing sweetheart. You can find similar quotes about other drivers on the grid, as said umpteen times.

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segedunum wrote:
Giblet wrote:Ah I see you like to break it down into 5 little mini arguments. Sigh. What are you, Kilcoo in disguise?
That's what quotes are for and that's what happens in proper discussions. ;-) Might help if you could do it.
segedunum wrote:It's always sad when someone knows he's having a tough time proving his argument who tries to nitpick small details to try and score small victories..........
The only obvious thing is a pot calling the kettle black, and the kettle calling the pot is black..

You both have differing & polarised opinions, and are both better than to lead such a fruitless argument.
For everyone's sake please leave it at that. Its not progressing this topic at all (not that it had much potential in the first place).
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segedunum wrote:Baloney
Everyone knows that Alonso is a good technical driver, and it is the onus on you to prove otherwise. You have not done so, and now are nitpicking and just arguing. You have flipped the chess board over right before losing.

Go away.

The fact is, I didn't read your post past the first line where you assume I can't use simple HTML tags. Quotes inside quotes are messy. If you can't deal with the post as a whole, as you have proved more than once, then go away. The discussion ended a long time ago, and the rest of us have moved on.

I have no will to continue with you at all, since all you want to talk about is posting, nothing about Alonso being an inferior setup guy, which again, is what you think, otherwise, you would not care to argue so much about it.

I could care less if he is nor not, but a reality check is not needed on my end.

Maybe you would have better luck in the youtube comment area, as that is what your posts are starting to sound like.

ISLAMATRON I can talk to, abrasive and trolly he might be, but at least there is some substance behind him. You my friend, seem to pump out pith like no other.

Did I mention going away? You can either go off again, or let it DROP. The choice is yours, and only one choice is a good one.

I went and took a look at your posting history. Very entertaining by the way. I think on page 7 there was something that was not an argument or opposite statement.
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abrasive maybe... trolly(whatever that means)? Never

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ISLAMATRON wrote:abrasive maybe... trolly(whatever that means)? Never
oh i don't know, i think Alonso has been a bit of both in the past
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ISLAMATRON wrote:abrasive maybe... trolly(whatever that means)? Never

Sorry didn't mean troll in the traditional internet sense which to me has always meant loner hiding under a bridge. Wasn't aiming to offend. I just meant sometimes your posts have bait in them, and some people take it. Trolling, as in fishing. I've actually had a couple drinks and should not be posting at all anymore :)
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Fil wrote:You both have differing & polarised opinions, and are both better than to lead such a fruitless argument.
It's not really an opinion when you're left wondering how a set of quotes about one driver proves a certain definable and superior ability that that driver has when you can gather a number of quotes for at least two other drivers on the grid, and quotes are all you have to back it up.

You're right though. It is fruitless.

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Giblet wrote:Everyone knows that Alonso is a good technical driver, and it is the onus on you to prove otherwise.
I'm afraid not. Simply taking it as written that Alonso has this ability when you've got ample and similar evidence that at least two drivers are just as good (based on your evidence of 'quotes') doesn't give that statement an automatic right to be right. It's a non-sensical and nutty starting point.

You've simply restated your assumption right off the bat before the first comma. People cannot disprove an assumption because that itself isn't proven, which kind of makes it obvious why you keep restating it. You cannot start from that position in any discussion. If you do then you can't be getting very far in your life.