Hamilton: I blew Alonso away

[mx_tifoso]

Moreover, I'm blacker than Lewis Hamilton, and my skin is nearly translucent.

Plenty of Hispanic people are dark(er) like Hamilton, but they mainly consist of Amerindian blood.

Is you a wigger? No offense, honestly. My cousin is'black' too, and he's a light skinned Mexican like moi.


That Mike Tyson interview is really great. He sounds a like rapper towards the end though. In the recent interviews with Queen Oprah he explains why he behaved the way he did back then. And he was mature enough to appear with Evander Holyfield on there as well.

Hamilton just got caught up in the moment, he probably didn't mean it in a negative way. Either way, Alonso more than likely doesn't care.

And as long as the thread contributors don't lose control I don't see why the mods should close this discussion. It would be great to be able to discuss this like mature and sensible adults.

[Flabbio Fixatore]

I have known/met/played with and played against personalities such as Tyson/Ali and now maybe Hamilton, and I must say that there has never been one that was so good that they did not need to be gentlemen. I am beyond the frustration that an arrogant superstar can instill, but I also know that I have used their arrogance as fuel in off season preparation.

If nothing else, an attitude such as this only doubles the motivation and energy of every competitor that hamilton will have in 2010. Does anyone think that Button hasn't read this and been like "There is no way he is gonna say that about me in 2011..."

Walk softly but carry a big stick. When you are the best, humility is the true mark of a sportsman. The arrogant only make the target on their back glow that much brighter in their rivals eyes.

[Ray]

How can someone dislike a Half of a person?

Well I for one don't like his feet, hands and sense of balance. They make him too damn good and it makes me jealous! That's not half, more like a third. He's got the talent and thank God he's got the guts to say what he feels. Regardless if you agree with him about his statement, we finally have an opportunity to see someone actually speak his mind and I quite love that fact. I cannot wait to hear more from him because even though I'm no huge fan of him I greatly respect the talent he is blessed with, his cool head under pressure, and his amazing speed. This increases my respect for the man, even though he isn't my favorite, but every race he's in my respect grows. I never liked Michael Schumacher but that didn't mean I didn't respect his hard work and he was always thanking the team. Nice to see a guy talk --- and be able to back it up day in day out.

[mx_tifoso]

I have known/met/played with and played against personalities such as Tyson/Ali and now maybe Hamilton, and I must say that there has never been one that was so good that they did not need to be gentlemen. I am beyond the frustration that an arrogant superstar can instill, but I also know that I have used their arrogance as fuel in off season preparation.

Was this back when you were team principal at Renault?

[xpensive]

I cannot believe how someone can be allowed by the moderators to play the racecard to defend Hamiltons statement?

As low at it gets really. I'm with Fix on that one.

[ringo]

I have known/met/played with and played against personalities such as Tyson/Ali and now maybe Hamilton, and I must say that there has never been one that was so good that they did not need to be gentlemen. I am beyond the frustration that an arrogant superstar can instill, but I also know that I have used their arrogance as fuel in off season preparation.

They bait rivals with arrogance, sometimes it backfires leading to embarrassment.

If nothing else, an attitude such as this only doubles the motivation and energy of every competitor that hamilton will have in 2010. Does anyone think that Button hasn't read this and been like "There is no way he is gonna say that about me in 2011..."

Hamilton wont say a thing about Jenson after he beats him. Heiki was actually blown away and never was a bad thing said about him. Alonso is the only one who will get that kind of response.

Concerning button, he seems cocky to me, even though he is within his rights as the WDC.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HFKBB2tE20[/youtube]
5:34 into the video, that little bit he forcibly jammed in: 'oh i purposely let the back out to make Buemi nervous...'. As if he expects to crowd to be in awe of his great car control skills. =D> Now that was pure cockiness.

Walk softly but carry a big stick. When you are the best, humility is the true mark of a sportsman. The arrogant only make the target on their back glow that much brighter in their rivals eyes.

True, this is in respect to looking forward, humility is the most sensible thing.
When looking back, speaking ones mind adds colour to the story.
I don't think Hamilton will make the mistake of threatening any driver, he only comments on what has transpired. Him beating Alonso on count back in 2007 is history, he can't rewrite it with a little embellishment like saying "I blew Alonso away".

[Giblet]

Yeah that was a little cocky of Jens to force it to be brought up. I sort of cringed a bit when I heard that.

Back to the topic of race, abortion, and religion.....

J/K.... I figure all three are generally off limits in civil conversations, so i like to leave them alone.

Back to the topic of being blown away, it entirely makes a difference as to what his metrics are.

From within the team, maybe he was able to find a quick setup faster, maybe he was able to do a whole bunch of things better within the team, not just on track from time to time.

I just think the statement Hambone made could be taken with a small pinch of salt.

[segedunum]

Well, Lewis was right...........up to a certain point. Blown away is certainly provocative. Nobody expected Lewis to be that much of an obstacle, least of all Alonso. He certainly proved to be faster than Alonso both in qualifying and in races to the point where Alonso let it get to him. It got to the point where Alonso has toned down his comments quite a bit: "I contributed six-tenths" has turned into "I might not be the fastest but I am consistent". What let Lewis down was his mental fragility under pressure. He showed it in 2007 and you could understand it in his first season, but he showed it in 2008 when he really would have been tarnished had he not been champion. Unfortunately, Alonso didn't keep his head down in 2007 when the mistakes inevitably came and Raikkonen steamed in for the championship.

As for Jenson, I'm afraid he's the wrong side of cocky. He was forced into his McLaren move which he then embarrasingly painted as "I needed a new challenge......I went for the challenge of Lewis...." and Lewis must be mighty relieved he is facing him and not Raikkonen - and these are statements Raikkonen would never make as a polar opposite.

It's all academic posturing though. If Vettel isn't champion next year then he won't be as good as we all think he is either.

[WhiteBlue]

What always bothers me when people use this type of speach is that they are completely pissing on the trauma and struggle that the enslaved Africans endured to the complete betterment of their future generations. If it wasn't for slavery, these same people would be running across the savannah in a loin cloth hoping to catch something for dinner tonight. Instead, the horrid toll was paid for them, so they could become educated people, overfeed their children, and use the internet to bitch about what they obviously do not understand.

And, isn't it possible to dislike just the white half of Hamilton? Why is any dislike automatically associated with his african heritage? In my opinion, those that play the race card are the ones that are uncomfortable with their own race, because those that are comfortable completely overlook the fact that they must politically modify their words for the uncomfortable, or be labeled.

(read current US politics)

I havn't even bothered to read this thread until today. The first thing I stumble across is this blatant piece of racism. [-X

Next a member pours abusive language at it. Is there no moderation present to stop this?

[Flabbio Fixatore]

What always bothers me when people use this type of speach is that they are completely pissing on the trauma and struggle that the enslaved Africans endured to the complete betterment of their future generations. If it wasn't for slavery, these same people would be running across the savannah in a loin cloth hoping to catch something for dinner tonight. Instead, the horrid toll was paid for them, so they could become educated people, overfeed their children, and use the internet to bitch about what they obviously do not understand.

And, isn't it possible to dislike just the white half of Hamilton? Why is any dislike automatically associated with his african heritage? In my opinion, those that play the race card are the ones that are uncomfortable with their own race, because those that are comfortable completely overlook the fact that they must politically modify their words for the uncomfortable, or be labeled.

(read current US politics)

I havn't even bothered to read this thread until today. The first thing I stumble across is this blatant piece of racism. [-X

Next a member pours abusive language at it. Is there no moderation present to stop this?

How can you call it racism? Because I do not automatically fall all over myself when someone brings it up.

Racism is when you hate because of nothing but color. My statement only points out that when everything is twisted to seem like racism shows that the twister has the problem, not the one being twisted.

How many African Americans would prefer to be living as their ancestors in Africa? How many prefer the benefits of being an American citizen?

Those that complain about slavery, and play the racism card completely disrespect the sacrifice and humiliation that their ancestors paid for their current existance. I do not condone slavery, but those that now benefit from a lifestyle that would have been impossible without it should regard their ancestry with reverance instead of complaining that they have not been repaid enough.

Sorry if you don't understand by viewing it from so far away, but the picture truly becomes much clearer when you actually live here.

[ISLAMATRON]

What always bothers me when people use this type of speach is that they are completely pissing on the trauma and struggle that the enslaved Africans endured to the complete betterment of their future generations. If it wasn't for slavery, these same people would be running across the savannah in a loin cloth hoping to catch something for dinner tonight. Instead, the horrid toll was paid for them, so they could become educated people, overfeed their children, and use the internet to bitch about what they obviously do not understand.

This idiot sems to think the decendants of slaves should be thankful for the torture and genocide imposed on their ancesestors, and that without it they would be savages in the jungles today... nothing even remotely racist about that.

But yet "pulling the "race card"(as if it was some kind of card game) gets so much more of a responce. Denying the very fact that Hamilton's race is very related to how alot of white F1 fans feel towards him(and his family)... because there have been many drivers who were taunted in blackface before Hamilton was, it was a weekly occurance.

The whole anti-"pulling the race card" routine is merely a trick employed by those who refuse to acknowledge that racism still exists today and that they themselves may even play a part in it. Behaving as if not talking about the situation, or even bringing it up will solve the problem is assinine and only works to the advantage of those who like the status quo.

There is no doubt that Hamilton's words and actions(and even non-actions) are viewed differently by a great deal of the public merely because of his race. Those who refuse to even acknowledge that it is possible are either deranged or blind.

[ISLAMATRON]

What always bothers me when people use this type of speach is that they are completely pissing on the trauma and struggle that the enslaved Africans endured to the complete betterment of their future generations. If it wasn't for slavery, these same people would be running across the savannah in a loin cloth hoping to catch something for dinner tonight. Instead, the horrid toll was paid for them, so they could become educated people, overfeed their children, and use the internet to bitch about what they obviously do not understand.

And, isn't it possible to dislike just the white half of Hamilton? Why is any dislike automatically associated with his african heritage? In my opinion, those that play the race card are the ones that are uncomfortable with their own race, because those that are comfortable completely overlook the fact that they must politically modify their words for the uncomfortable, or be labeled.

(read current US politics)

I havn't even bothered to read this thread until today. The first thing I stumble across is this blatant piece of racism. [-X

Next a member pours abusive language at it. Is there no moderation present to stop this?

How can you call it racism? Because I do not automatically fall all over myself when someone brings it up.

Racism is when you hate because of nothing but color. My statement only points out that when everything is twisted to seem like racism shows that the twister has the problem, not the one being twisted.

How many African Americans would prefer to be living as their ancestors in Africa? How many prefer the benefits of being an American citizen?

Those that complain about slavery, and play the racism card completely disrespect the sacrifice and humiliation that their ancestors paid for their current existance. I do not condone slavery, but those that now benefit from a lifestyle that would have been impossible without it should regard their ancestry with reverance instead of complaining that they have not been repaid enough.

Sorry if you don't understand by viewing it from so far away, but the picture truly becomes much clearer when you actually live here.

That picture is only clear through your obviously racist lens. What you are saying is that there is no way Africans at anytime could have lived a good life unless slavery was forced upon them... basically you are saying Africans and their way of life, even previous to eurpopean slavery are and forever would be inferior.

You conceptual are a racist fool and I hope the mods ban you again so we dont have to put up with your vile remarks.

[bhall]

How can you call it racism? Because I do not automatically fall all over myself when someone brings it up.

Racism is when you hate because of nothing but color. My statement only points out that when everything is twisted to seem like racism shows that the twister has the problem, not the one being twisted.

How many African Americans would prefer to be living as their ancestors in Africa? How many prefer the benefits of being an American citizen?

Those that complain about slavery, and play the racism card completely disrespect the sacrifice and humiliation that their ancestors paid for their current existance. I do not condone slavery, but those that now benefit from a lifestyle that would have been impossible without it should regard their ancestry with reverance instead of complaining that they have not been repaid enough.

Sorry if you don't understand by viewing it from so far away, but the picture truly becomes much clearer when you actually live here.

So you'd be cool with me taking your family into slavery if 400 years later they might be better off? Let me know. I could really use the help around the house.

Moreover, I'm blacker than Lewis Hamilton, and my skin is nearly translucent.

Plenty of Hispanic people are dark(er) like Hamilton, but they mainly consist of Amerindian blood.

Is you a wigger? No offense, honestly. My cousin is'black' too, and he's a light skinned Mexican like moi.

I'm "black" the way Bill Clinton was sometimes referred to as America's "first black president." I'm just cool like that.

[Flabbio Fixatore]

You speak as if changing the past was possible. Your remarks clearly show that you do not look at the positives that you enjoy because of what your ancestors have suffered, and only focus on the negative. I find your attacks against any white person that disagrees with an african american as racist. The only thing you can see is hated. Fortunately, there are others that are better, and respect that their way was paved for them by the sacrifice of their ancestry.

You speak as if I condone slavery, quite the opposite. But I can understand also that this is not only about color with you... I wonder how much the religion of those slavers have to do with your bigotry?

Name two of your ancestors that were enslaved, tell us their struggles, and tell us that you are thankful that their decendants now lead educated and productive lives. Instead of the negativity, how about you acknowledge the positive?

Is your life so sad that you have none? Aren't you an educated American citizen? Would you be who you are today if slavery never existed? Can you show some respect for those that you defend, instead of pissing on their sacrifice?

The fact that you cannot show these things tells me that it is more about the religion of the slave owners than the color of their shin, or the fact that it was a white man that set them free.

No respect for those that made your life possible, and showing a complete disrespect for life itself.

[bhall]

The problem with your approach, Flabbio, is that it completely glosses over the violence of slavery and pretends that everything is all right now. You fail to recognize that the act of enslaving an entire race, beyond its initial wretchedness, pretty much permanently installed blacks as second-class citizens in the eyes of far too many people. Despite any positives, it's still a struggle.

I don't think you're racist. I just think that, like many people, you simply don't know what to do with "white guilt."

This is one of things you just have to take on the chin.