Mercedes GP MGP W01

[ringo]

About the f duct, no other team will be able to make it controllable.
All will have to depend on simulators and friday practice to tune their open loop system f ducts.
I find it very risky for tracks which have similarly high speeds in the corners and on straights. They may be able to get away with it in china if it is tuned for a speed not experienced in the turns. However i think they will remove it for other tracks.

It was shown in the fduct thread that it can work on an open loop, so i think this is what they are bringing. They may mount their snorkels on the side pods where the cooling vents usually are.

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/vertr ... 65678.html

This report is quoting a salary of seven million € for Schumacher. The amount is confirmed by Uwe Werner a board member of the Mercedes supervisory board. Again I rate the source higher than your opinion or the SUN or whoever dreamed up the 21 mil figure.

The wind tunnel hours are the same for all this year according to the RRA and I have shown that Merc are running about half the personnel other top teams run. The only loop hole they could perhaps exploit is the unknown amount of outsourcing that applies this year. I do not believe that Ferrari will not fully exhaust their potential there, considering that they swim in money. So you don't have a leg to stand on. Mercedes GP are screwed this year unless they make some fabulous inventions. That is always possible but not predictable.

[Ganxxta]

About the f duct, no other team will be able to make it controllable.
All will have to depend on simulators and friday practice to tune their open loop system f ducts.
I find it very risky for tracks which have similarly high speeds in the corners and on straights. They may be able to get away with it in china if it is tuned for a speed not experienced in the turns. However i think they will remove it for other tracks.

I agree, will be interesting to see how much Topspeed it is worth and on which tracks they are going to use it.
Risky thingy in my opinion, if you set it upto stall at say 260km/h and you reach this speed in a highspeed corner (eg. cause of changed wind direction) than you won't have grip and are of the track asap

[Pierce89]

About the f duct, no other team will be able to make it controllable.
All will have to depend on simulators and friday practice to tune their open loop system f ducts.
I find it very risky for tracks which have similarly high speeds in the corners and on straights. They may be able to get away with it in china if it is tuned for a speed not experienced in the turns. However i think they will remove it for other tracks.

It was shown in the fduct thread that it can work on an open loop, so i think this is what they are bringing. They may mount their snorkels on the side pods where the cooling vents usually are.

I'd fully expect driver controlled systems, rather than open loop.

[Pierce89]

http://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/vertr ... 65678.html

This report is quoting a salary of seven million € for Schumacher. The amount is confirmed by Uwe Werner a board member of the Mercedes supervisory board. Again I rate the source higher than your opinion or the SUN or whoever dreamed up the 21 mil figure.

The wind tunnel hours are the same for all this year according to the RRA and I have shown that Merc are running about half the personnel other top teams run. The only loop hole they could perhaps exploit is the unknown amount of outsourcing that applies this year. I do not believe that Ferrari will not fully exhaust their potential there, considering that they swim in money. So you don't have a leg to stand on. Mercedes GP are screwed this year unless they make some fabulous inventions. That is always possible but not predictable.

I believe that is what Mercedes Benz are kicking in, rather than what the team is paying him. I don't remember where, but, I've read 21 mil from team and 9 mil from personal sponsors. You obviously are a fan of MGP. i'm obviously not.(yes I'm a Shumi hater)So let's both end a ridiculous argument that I started. Let's all be bestest friends in the whole wide world.

[WhiteBlue]

There is no difference any more between the team and Mercedes. It is a works team. Mercedes/Aabar have completely replaced the board of directors of the team and run the board. The only person from the team still on the board is Ross Brawn. So the budget and finance is completely controlled by Merc. The 21 mil figure is simply speculative.

[Pierce89]

There is no difference any more between the team and Mercedes. It is a works team. Mercedes/Aabar have completely replaced the board of directors of the team and run the board. The only person from the team still on the board is Ross Brawn. So the budget and finance is completely controlled by Merc. The 21 mil figure is simply speculative.

Merc own the team as a wholly owned subsidiary, which means their finances are seperate like Ferrari and Ferrari F1. Ferrari owns Ferrari F1 but they're seperate companies with seperate budgets

[ringo]

About the f duct, no other team will be able to make it controllable.
All will have to depend on simulators and friday practice to tune their open loop system f ducts.
I find it very risky for tracks which have similarly high speeds in the corners and on straights. They may be able to get away with it in china if it is tuned for a speed not experienced in the turns. However i think they will remove it for other tracks.

It was shown in the fduct thread that it can work on an open loop, so i think this is what they are bringing. They may mount their snorkels on the side pods where the cooling vents usually are.

I'd fully expect driver controlled systems, rather than open loop.

Well if they could, but it would be in breach of the regulations. They don't have the luxury of having a pipe in the cockpit like the Mclaren. They can't change the tub so they are stuck with having to run their system outside of the tub, hence no posibility of interaction with the driver. The driver is the loop hole, any other control system would be moving aero and illegal.

I see them with this thing on the wing though, it looks like an arch that connects the 2 wing elements together; don't know what it's for though. It was on Micheal's car.

[Timstr]

Is the wing being blown through the end plate?

[hollus]

About the f duct, no other team will be able to make it controllable...
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I'd fully expect driver controlled systems, rather than open loop.

Well if they could, but it would be in breach of the regulations. They don't have the luxury of having a pipe in the cockpit like the Mclaren... .

Pedro de la Rosa mentioned the elbow more than once to the spanish press some weeks ago, while saying that he wasn't sure how they would control it in Sauber, but that it WOULD BE driver controllable. It will be funny to see the driver bending in odd positions in the straights to close holes brought into the cockpit (possibly the back side of it!) by whichever holes were available. But doable.

[BorisTheBlade]

@Timstr
I'd guess this is just a closing for a comparison test. IMHO they'll attach their solution in FP2 and see, if it's an improvement.
That photograph clearly doesn't show anything that would be driver-controlled.

[WhiteBlue]

According to Sky Merc are just fitting the new rear wing to Rosberg's car. Seems to be tested ok.

[BorisTheBlade]

Hm, I'm a bit puzzled. They are alternating Schumachers wing between the old version and the version with that little "duct" on it in FP2. Does anyone understand how that could work? Doesn't look like it would have an inlet like the BMW/McLaren-versions of 2009.

[Darknight]

I am starting to wonder if the Brawn had some sort of blown rear wing last year. I had always wondered why the endplates on the brawn were "fat"in some parts, it truely looked like there was an air channel in those end plates.

[raymondu999]

Interesting theory. Could you post some pics to better describe where you mean?