Mercedes GP MGP W01

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Schuey's latest update :lol:

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manchild wrote:Schuey's latest update :lol:

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7,62 mm of an MG3 is a toy caliber.

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The 50 cal (12,7 mm) Barret sniper gun is the real deal Alonso and Hamilton were using. :shock: :lol:
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with only overseas races until now I doubt the teams had any chance to do dedicated
verification of chassis stiffness.
the air of doubt can only be removed with a proper test in a rig ,but surely you could see different response in reaction from inputs if the chassis has lost integrity...but if he has lost confidence in the chassis ,maybe it is the best idea to give him another one and start afresh. this game is psychological ,and those who do not accept this are sooner or later at a loss to explain just why things suddenly do not work anymore.Get your head straight and build up is the only ways to reach the peak, the driver is the most tuneable component in the system ,unearthing all the potential of Schumacher is maybe not as easy as they imagined.

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Things are looking up for Merc. Imagine if they are this competitive now what the major update will do?
For Sure!!

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ringo wrote:Things are looking up for Merc. Imagine if they are this competitive now what the major update will do?
Rosberg is that good ,not the car yet.Brawn officially admitted that their weight distribution is wrong .Schumacher is at a disadvantage of 7kg with weight distribution equalling 0.5% with empty tank.So assuming they are of by say 2 percent
this would explain just why Schu is not able to maintain the momentum long enough compared to Nico ,the tyres just die on him if he tries to keep up.

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McLaren is suffering with same problem / Lewis complained at the end of race that his front left tyre is gone, and he was pushing real hard. In some way it is very bad to have just one tyre supplier - seems that Bridgestone is not up to the task this year. It seems that no matter how car is good - if one pushes too hard - tyres can`t last. Schumacher also complained that intermediate tyres are not what used to be. Now add that car is suffering with weight distribution and it is obviously very sad picture of 7x world champion suffering so much.

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ggajic wrote:McLaren is suffering with same problem / Lewis complained at the end of race that his front left tyre is gone, and he was pushing real hard. In some way it is very bad to have just one tyre supplier - seems that Bridgestone is not up to the task this year. It seems that no matter how car is good - if one pushes too hard - tyres can`t last. Schumacher also complained that intermediate tyres are not what used to be. Now add that car is suffering with weight distribution and it is obviously very sad picture of 7x world champion suffering so much.
Tire is the same for everybody. Its up to the driver to use them. And since most of the drivers by the end had accumulated a ton of "semi-dry" mileage on the last set when the rain picked near the end, its not at all a surprise that the intermediate gives up to ghost with problem.....

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I am looking for the Barcelona update see what their car will look like I hope it fixes schumacher Weight distribution Distribution and Aerodynamics. Hope mercedes can make it work this time because Schumacher is the reason why I am back watching F1. if not then I am done with F1 XD.

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ggajic wrote:McLaren is suffering with same problem / Lewis complained at the end of race that his front left tyre is gone, and he was pushing real hard. In some way it is very bad to have just one tyre supplier - seems that Bridgestone is not up to the task this year. It seems that no matter how car is good - if one pushes too hard - tyres can`t last. Schumacher also complained that intermediate tyres are not what used to be. Now add that car is suffering with weight distribution and it is obviously very sad picture of 7x world champion suffering so much.
Doesn't matter what the car is or who the tire supplier is.. if you push too hard they won't last. Could be Bridgestone, Goodyear, Michelin, Hoosier.. abuse is abuse.
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so confirmed too much rear bias??
-reducing the length of wheelbase by changing gearbox design

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mike wrote:so confirmed too much rear bias??
...no. Could be anything from tire pressure, to camber, to toe settings, to differential, to you name it.
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JT,after thousands of km clocked ,i doubt there is much left in terms of airpressure ,toe settings ,cambersettings or diffoptions to try out.
As they seem to go in circles with their setup not being able to maximise on using the tire potential (in terms of lap time and in terms of endurance compared to the top competitors )I ´d say they have a medium sized dog buried in their car.It appears that as soon as they have to constantly push one end of the car just goes away from them dramatically wich leads to the conclusion they are not working the tyres as evenly as they should and basically cooking the tyres on one axle then.this also explains the lack of ultimate lap time ,as not all tyres give optimum grip.It maybe they got a balance but obviously not at the same level as RB ,wich is a strong hint they got their basic layout wrong.

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RacingManiac wrote:Tire is the same for everybody. Its up to the driver to use them. And since most of the drivers by the end had accumulated a ton of "semi-dry" mileage on the last set when the rain picked near the end, its not at all a surprise that the intermediate gives up to ghost with problem.....
Remember 2005. and 2006. ? Of course, someone might said that Michelin gave unfair advantage to Renault and McLaren in 2005. But point is that this year - tyres seems to wear out much quicker and that everyone is suffering with similar problem. If we had two tyre suppliers - perhaps one would try to make tyre that would last longer.

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The tyres are the same for all, so I agree with markush. There is a weight distribution problem on the car and Nico deals with it much better. There may be an issue with Schumacher's chassis as well. We will have to wait and see. If the chassis is sound and Schumacher continues the way he drives now Merc will probably swap Nick into that car later in the season. They would still be able to use Schumacher as a reserve driver and consultant.
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of course my words assume Merc is a bunch of capable race warriors and they have really understood what is holding them back .
It bemuses me a bit that they are balancing the car for a steady race pace which is not quite capable of pushing to the max but this really hints at a considerable delta in tyre temps between front and rears they have not found a possibility to get rid of.So either they have no ballast or not enough ballast to play with or nowhere to put it ....