Belgian GP 2010 - Spa Francorchamps

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http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport ... 26741.html

If what he says is true then how the hell he managed to get to 1st row in that track conditions?
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segedunum wrote:What I'd like to know is, what the hell happened to Alonso? He just doesn't seem to be able to pull laps out of the bag right now, almost as if he's getting carried away with trying too hard.
I would guess he is on a wet-biased set-up

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Top speeds qualifying:

1 Felipe Massa 312.9
2 Sebastian Vettel 307.8
3 Jenson Button 307.4
4 Lewis Hamilton 307.3
5 Robert Kubica 307.0
6 Mark Webber 306.2
7 Jaime Alguersuari 305.5
8 Adrian Sutil 304.9
9 Nico Rosberg 304.4
10 Kamui Kobayashi 304.1
11 Heikki Kovalainen 303.9
12 Sebastien Buemi 303.6
13 Fernando Alonso 303.5

No way that Alonso is nearly 10km/h slower than Massa. I reckon this substantiates the wet-biased set-up claim.

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vall wrote:I would guess he is on a wet-biased set-up
It doesn't really matter. I doubt I would gamble on being tenth on the grid on the off-chance that there will be a significant amount of rain, and given how much slower he was that must be what he and Ferrari are gambling on. A very strange decision, if true.

There will have to be a significant downpour for this to work out for him. Changeable conditions aren't enough.
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Speed trap is at the top of Radillon, not at the end of the straight! If you want peak straight speeds, look at the speeds over the S1 timing beam.
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vall wrote:
segedunum wrote:What I'd like to know is, what the hell happened to Alonso? He just doesn't seem to be able to pull laps out of the bag right now, almost as if he's getting carried away with trying too hard.
I would guess he is on a wet-biased set-up
According to Ted the McLaren is visibly running more wing, so I don't think it's as simple as that.

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What a peformance from Robert Kubica and the Renault F1 Team! Looking forward to the race!
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Scotracer wrote:Speed trap is at the top of Radillon, not at the end of the straight! If you want peak straight speeds, look at the speeds over the S1 timing beam.
Perhaps so, but Vettel being 3.4 km/h faster than Rosberg, who has 30 Hp more according to Marko, is not that bad? :lol:
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zeph wrote:Top speeds qualifying:

1 Felipe Massa 312.9
2 Sebastian Vettel 307.8
3 Jenson Button 307.4
4 Lewis Hamilton 307.3
5 Robert Kubica 307.0
6 Mark Webber 306.2
7 Jaime Alguersuari 305.5
8 Adrian Sutil 304.9
9 Nico Rosberg 304.4
10 Kamui Kobayashi 304.1
11 Heikki Kovalainen 303.9
12 Sebastien Buemi 303.6
13 Fernando Alonso 303.5

No way that Alonso is nearly 10km/h slower than Massa. I reckon this substantiates the wet-biased set-up claim.
I'm actually going to call it the other way and say that Alonso went with a setup too biased towards dry running. He had visibly less wing than the McLarens, according to Ted on the BBC, and thus was able to carry less apex speed through the corners leading and had worse traction, leading to the lower speeds through the speed trap at Radillon.

Given that the last runs were in partially wet conditions, Alonso would have benefitted from a wet setup and not lost out.

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myurr wrote:
zeph wrote:Top speeds qualifying:

1 Felipe Massa 312.9
2 Sebastian Vettel 307.8
3 Jenson Button 307.4
4 Lewis Hamilton 307.3
5 Robert Kubica 307.0
6 Mark Webber 306.2
7 Jaime Alguersuari 305.5
8 Adrian Sutil 304.9
9 Nico Rosberg 304.4
10 Kamui Kobayashi 304.1
11 Heikki Kovalainen 303.9
12 Sebastien Buemi 303.6
13 Fernando Alonso 303.5

No way that Alonso is nearly 10km/h slower than Massa. I reckon this substantiates the wet-biased set-up claim.
I'm actually going to call it the other way and say that Alonso went with a setup too biased towards dry running. He had visibly less wing than the McLarens, according to Ted on the BBC, and thus was able to carry less apex speed through the corners leading and had worse traction, leading to the lower speeds through the speed trap at Radillon.

Given that the last runs were in partially wet conditions, Alonso would have benefitted from a wet setup and not lost out.
look at the last lap times! How in hell could LH set such a time in wet? There were a few drops at the beginning of the lap. That was it.

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vall wrote:look at the last lap times! How in hell could LH set such a time in wet? There were a few drops at the beginning of the lap. That was it.
It was enough to cost him 3 tenths of a second in sector one over his best Q2 time, so possibly up to half a second compared to where his ultimate Q3 pace would be. I believe Vettel lost a similar amount of time.

If Alonso is running a wet set up biased enough to make him qualify in P10 why is he running less rear wing than the McLaren, and why did he do worse than he did in Q2 when it was bone dry? Why is his speed through Eau Rouge so much slower than the other cars if he has more downforce for a wet setup?

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I think ferrari would only gamble so much with Massa's setup, from my point of view Alonso has a dry setup and Massa is on a wet one, this way it could explain the higher top speed from Massa at the end of the speed trap.

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myurr wrote: If Alonso is running a wet set up biased enough to make him qualify in P10 why is he running less rear wing than the McLaren, and why did he do worse than he did in Q2 when it was bone dry?
Alonso Q2:1:47.544
Alonso Q3:1:47.441

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/836/6776/

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Alonso probably too confident after P1 and 2 in the wet. Did he test running light in the dry in P3? Might took too big of a gamble with his setup and lost. Still anything can happen and i hope for rain too since Ferni looked very confident and fast in the wet as you might have noticed in P2 where he immediately found the limit and took about 4.5 secs on his first lap while others were tiptoeing.
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button says hes "satisfied" with being in 5th position a whole 4 tenths of his team as per....hmmm some world champ he is.