Italian GP 2010 - Monza

[komninosm]

WARNING: SOME PEOPLE MAY FIND THE FOLLOWING DISTURBING

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Bloody luck he is still alive, and the team is still in F1 for that.

Is it me or does it look like the mechanic is adjusting something on the steering wheel? How could the driver miss a hand on his steering wheel?

[Giblet]

He's focusing on one thing and one thing only like a spring in compression. What he is waiting for is the lollipop man so he can uncoil. The trust between him and the lollypop man needs to 100%. He's not looking in the mirrors and not second guessing the lolly.

I understand there was something being done on the radio or his cable, which might be outside of the drivers view.

[Pup]

I think his head is actually behind the driver, probably checking the wiring connection from Sakon's helmet to the car.

[747heavy]

sure we don´t know 100% what, and how it happens, but some things look a bit odd.
I don´t think that the lollipop guy was told, that there would be a additional
mechanic/engineer working on the car.

The guy who adjusted the radio, walked very causual over to the car (keep in mind we talk a ~5s pit stop) to get his business done.
The lollipop guy runs to the front of the car, and then looks to the left side (his side)of the car, gesticulating to another mechanic to move the tire out of the way.
He then releases the car. That makes me think, he did not know about the radio guy.

I don´t know, what the protocol is at HRT, but it looks like a serious break down on communication.

If the guy was send to work on the car, the lollipop guy should be informed. (normally the chief mechanic would make that call).
If he send the guy out, and did not tell anyone, he should get fired, or at least reprimanded, thats a seriuos f... u.

If the radio guy, decided on his own to take a look, he is to blame -IMO
If the lolli pop guy was told that there would be a radio check, he would have looked in the direction of the cockpit - IMHO, but it´s just speculation on my part.

If they did not tell him that there is another crew member working on the car, I would not blame him, or only to 50% if any.

Good thing is, that the guy seems to be o.k. - thanks god, that could have end very ugly.

The fine is o.k., but would do little to help the guy, if he was killed in this incident.

Anyway, I´m sure he (the lolli pop guy) feels terrible, maybe he made a mistake, but I would not call him a d...h....

[fritticaldi]

Fantastic race today at Monza with a great dual between Alonso and Button. Alonso secured the victory when he stayed out an extra lap and went flat out and a flawless job by the Scuderia mechanics during the spaniard's pitstop. Also a great race from Massa who is the only other driver to keep pace with the other two protagonists. A very disturbing scene in the Hispania pit. The video posted is very graphic. I would expect I higher professionalism from the mechanics especially the lollypop man. Thankfully the mechanic seems ok/color]

[ringo]

Guy almost got cut in 2 by the wing, could have been much worse. The edge radius rules saved him there.

[djos]

I'd like to know why Jamie got dinged for cutting a chicane when there was no advantage gained and yet the stewards chose to ignore Hulk gaining obvious advantage over Webber when cutting the chicane 3 times???

[ecapox]

Wait a minute, sure I have been on an airplane all day but still.... algersuari got a penalty for cutting a chicane and hulkenberg didn't?? Wtf....

[godlameroso]

How's this for a conspiracy plot ingredient; an Italian car wins the Italian GP, by a Spanish driver that is sponsored by Santander a Spanish bank, which is the title sponsor of Ferrari, as well as the title sponsor of the GP. Not to mention on the podium 3 drivers displaying Santander logos bright as day plastered on their chests.

All I can say is...how convenient.

[Mr Alcatraz]

sure we don´t know 100% what, and how it happens, but some things look a bit odd.
I don´t think that the lollipop guy was told, that there would be a additional
mechanic/engineer working on the car.

The guy who adjusted the radio, walked very causual over to the car (keep in mind we talk a ~5s pit stop) to get his business done.
The lollipop guy runs to the front of the car, and then looks to the left side (his side)of the car, gesticulating to another mechanic to move the tire out of the way.
He then releases the car. That makes me think, he did not know about the radio guy.

I don´t know, what the protocol is at HRT, but it looks like a serious break down on communication.

If the guy was send to work on the car, the lollipop guy should be informed. (normally the chief mechanic would make that call).
If he send the guy out, and did not tell anyone, he should get fired, or at least reprimanded, thats a seriuos f... u.

If the radio guy, decided on his own to take a look, he is to blame -IMO
If the lolli pop guy was told that there would be a radio check, he would have looked in the direction of the cockpit - IMHO, but it´s just speculation on my part.

If they did not tell him that there is another crew member working on the car, I would not blame him, or only to 50% if any.

Good thing is, that the guy seems to be o.k. - thanks god, that could have end very ugly.

The fine is o.k., but would do little to help the guy, if he was killed in this incident.

Anyway, I´m sure he (the lolli pop guy) feels terrible, maybe he made a mistake, but I would not call him a d...h....

I wouldn't call him one either. However:

a post-race stewards investigation determined that it had been an unsafe release. The team was therefore fined $20,000.

I agree the lollipop man has to be at least 50% responsible, probably more!
This is IMO most likely a symptom of a systemic problem!
Tough situation luckily the technician was not seriously injured.

[ringo]

Whoah guys, i thought i was the insane one here with the Massa conspiracies.

Hulkenberg was not penalized because he actually made it worse for himself cutting the chicane. It's not like the swimming pool chicane at Monaco where cutting it gives a advantage. Nico actually made it easier for Mark to attack by cutting the chicanes.
Secondly i only remember him cutting turn 1 chicane twice. I never saw a third time.
If he cut another chicane, i don't think it would count towards the first one.
But again, Nico gained disadvantaged himself by cutting them, they were more mistakes than attempts to cut time off his lap.
Mark knew this, but i guess it's easy to pass Nico if he has to do a drive through.

[djos]

Whoah guys, i thought i was the insane one here with the Massa conspiracies.

Hulkenberg was not penalized because he actually made it worse for himself cutting the chicane. It's not like the swimming pool chicane at Monaco where cutting it gives a advantage. Nico actually made it easier for Mark to attack by cutting the chicanes.
Secondly i only remember him cutting turn 1 chicane twice. I never saw a third time.
If he cut another chicane, i don't think it would count towards the first one.
But again, Nico gained disadvantaged himself by cutting them, they were more mistakes than attempts to cut time off his lap.
Mark knew this, but i guess it's easy to pass Nico if he has to do a drive through.

Hulk did it 3 times and the last time he actually prevented Webber from getting past by chopping in front of him which caused Webber to take avoiding action ruining his run past - it was a blatant case of gaining advantage by not losing a position!

Webber was so mad he was waving his fist at him - even the Beeb boy's instantly called for a penalty!

[Pup]

How's this for a conspiracy plot ingredient; an Italian car wins the Italian GP, by a Spanish driver that is sponsored by Santander a Spanish bank, which is the title sponsor of Ferrari, as well as the title sponsor of the GP. Not to mention on the podium 3 drivers displaying Santander logos bright as day plastered on their chests.

All I can say is...how convenient.

Some of us have definitely noticed a bit too much convenience in F1. But it's been that way for years now. Best you just enjoy the show, though, like you're supposed to. Otherwise people might think your a bit of a nut like me.

[andartop]

How's this for a conspiracy plot ingredient; an Italian car wins the Italian GP, by a Spanish driver that is sponsored by Santander a Spanish bank, which is the title sponsor of Ferrari, as well as the title sponsor of the GP. Not to mention on the podium 3 drivers displaying Santander logos bright as day plastered on their chests.

All I can say is...how convenient.

Sure, it was all staged. Hamilton taking himself out of the race was also scripted as well, it was the icing on the cake for the tifosi. In 2 years he will admit everything and end up like Nelson Piquet Jr.

[Raftaar]

Hello everyone! I am a bit late to post on this thread, but couldn't help with the dogged broadband service !!
A very good race, and a fair result at the end. Ferrari were very quick all weekend and Fernando delivered a performance long overdue. Pole, Race victory and Fastest lap, finally a perfect weekend for him, and Ferrari, and at just the right place =D> =D> =D> . He was charged-up for this race, one could see that in Qualifying. Massa did a good race too, though I feel he could have managed P2, had he pitted a little later. Button drove a good race, but still, inspite of what most people are saying, he couldn't have fended off Alonso later had there not been the "miracle" pitstop. Alonso was clearly quicker than him, and for the most part of the first stint was playing with him. A good drive none-the-less.

Can't help but think what'd have happened had Hamilton not exited so early, something tells me he would have been quicker than Button, maybe would have matched the Red cars, but his fortune was solely down to him, it clearly was a driver error, too bad, I felt he had really matured this season.

As for RBR, it just wasn't their weekend. They lacked outright pace, as expected, but I think their race was compromised more due to being held up by slower cars, certainly Webber's was, but the strategy of the weekend was definitely that of Vettle, and thanks to his looking after his tyres (or maybe Bridgstone's conservatively designed tyres ) it paid off.

Great job though by Hulkenberg, I think he did very well to keep the RBs' behind for so long, would have been happy to see him keep the 6th place at the end. None-the-less the rookie has been improving race by race, he seems a real prospect.

I am dissapointed for Force India!! I expected them to get a good result here, but Sutil had an unlucky first lap; But I thought his strategy after that was very promising, a little risky, but we saw Vettle doing 52 laps with the soft tyre, certainly he could managed the same with the primes. Instead he had to come in again for a new nose, such a shame, but he did make some good overtakes.

Great race, great result, a good Grand Prix.

Looking forward to Singapore GP, would it be another RBR rout !!!