HRT F111 Cosworth

[Owen.C93]

At least they don't have any sponsors to upset

I expect their pace to improve once they get their 2011 wing back.

[wesley123]

sure their pace improves, but not by 2.5 seconds by a simple front wing.

[ESPImperium]

But it´s good to see the 107% rule back IMHO, to keep people honest.

I don´t like the idea a team being able to show up with a --- car X sec. off the pace, and run the team as a profit centre, by selling seat time to pay drivers.

I know, it´s not feasable with the current regs, but otherwise I would be in favour of a football/soccer like promotion system.
Giving the best (or best two) GP2 teams a slot in F1 and relegate the worse two F1 teams back to GP2 (or whatever you want to call the series).
That would keep everybody on there toes and motivated to perform.

Personally, after doing the timing data for my first race data sheet (on my PC and not my MacBook [which im using for this reply]) id like to see the 107% rule made into a sweating platform for all the cars knocked out of Q1, as this way Virgin would also be knocked out, meaning that cars would have to be a mile faster than they are at present.

As for a Promotion/Relegation, this is where id like to see the GP2/11 brought in, it means that you can be on the pace, without too much trouble and expense. BUT only for a set period of time, if a team can get through 2 seasons and use itself as a profit centre, it can then afford to develop its first full chassis. But by then id say that team may have been relegated.

I have always ben a fan of customer cars, but id make it that teams can only buy IP Licences from teams that didn't finish in the top 5 of the constructors table 2 years present, but they cannot buy readily made chassis or parts from those teams, those teams have to have the chassis made and parts bought for those cars, also if there is a change in safety regs the team buying must do all relevant mods to pass crash tests or associated regs.

This way a team cannot go out and buy a BGP001 or RB5 and stick it in the midfield, they have to spend a time with a licensed VJM/02 or FW31 for example. Might work, might not. But will provide the midfield teams with another source of income for say €10m a year, which they wont turn down.

[dice782]

Look at the right rear tyre looks like there is a crew in the tyre?

[cbbcisace]

sure their pace improves, but not by 2.5 seconds by a simple front wing.

It will surely give the car more stability plus the car has never been set up before so the 2.5 seconds is simply trying to find the sweet spot in the package including the 2011 spec nose and FW.

[nacho]

Look at the right rear tyre looks like there is a crew in the tyre?

Man that looks like a torx or a philips screw. That's easily a few tenths there.

[TURU]

That cooling outlet at the back of the engine cover seems to be amusingly asymmetrical.

[nacho]

I think it's just the angle and the middle wing support.

[timd]

These texts on the car with 'this could be you' suddenly became very funny and ironic, that is for sure.

But this was just ridiculous, they where 9 seconds slower then the fastest car, 2 seconds slower then the virgin who was slow too. And Karthikeyan being almost 2 seconds slower then its team mate, just ridiculous

I hope this team goes bankrupt soon, and if not i hope the FIA takes away their license, these guys are just ridiculous.

I agree. When it started shedding its carbon into the Saubers path which was heading for Q3 i kind of set myself against this lot. Sauber being a team without tons of money trying damn hard to genuninely compete.

This is at the end of the day the top end of motorsport. Get with the program or dont turn up. Running it as a break even "rich boy pay driver" program is not F1 to me. Its not honest racing.

There are enough hobby series around to support people with way too much money to go racing.

The cars should be worthy.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

I agree. When it started shedding its carbon into the Saubers path which was heading for Q3 i kind of set myself against this lot. Sauber being a team without tons of money trying damn hard to genuninely compete...

...There are enough hobby series around to support people with way too much money to go racing.

The cars should be worthy.

We don't know if the car isn't worthy yet! They have essentially done their shakedown. Nobody looked at the Red Bull for example after its shakedown test and said "Its not worthy."

Yes, I agree the car should have been ready in time, but sometimes in life things don't always go according to plan.

And as if the Sauber didn't shed some carbon? it shedded half its blinking engine cover! God forbid a new car should have some easy to fix teething problems! The Sauber had the engine cover problem during pre-season testing, and again in Free Practice, I dont see you vilifying them. (And quite rightly not)

Who's to say HRT are not "a team without tons of money trying damn hard to genuninely compete". They've got a solid team boss, they've graciously accepted being outside the 107% rule (yes they protested, but wouldn't you? You dont get if you don't ask.), they've got two drivers who may well be paying for their seats but they DO have previous F1 experience AND they kinda have to get money from somewhere don't they?!

They've designed a car which, from its LOOKS, had most people on this very forum swooning about how much better it looked than the F110...

MAYBE, they over stretched themselves, were a little too ambious with the resources at their disposal and ended up with an unfinished car. At least they bloody tried!

Its so easy for us armchair experts to pass judgement with no real knowledge or facts. How about we see how the car turns out for real before we judge their credentials hmmmmm?

[marcush.]

maybe the reality was the car will be finished to 1st race spec only in 6 weeks time and they will have to make do with what they have right now.
Even the best gannt diagramme will not do the work for you...so it´s not just proper project management but time constraints.
Of course you need to open up the backup route in time when you realise it will not panout as needed.And they obviously failed the crashtest ..so in this area they completely got it wrong as it was too tight scheduling and no real backup solution available (but who knows ,an extra ply of fibres would not have saved them maybe)

[kilcoo316]

I cannot for the life of me see HRT finishing the season.


Who will sponsor a car that never qualifies?

[mith]

sure their pace improves, but not by 2.5 seconds by a simple front wing.

Yes, but that car wasn't basically set up at all, so huge gains to be found there.

[Pierce89]

These texts on the car with 'this could be you' suddenly became very funny and ironic, that is for sure.

But this was just ridiculous, they where 9 seconds slower then the fastest car, 2 seconds slower then the virgin who was slow too. And Karthikeyan being almost 2 seconds slower then its team mate, just ridiculous

I hope this team goes bankrupt soon, and if not i hope the FIA takes away their license, these guys are just ridiculous.

I agree. When it started shedding its carbon into the Saubers path which was heading for Q3 i kind of set myself against this lot. Sauber being a team without tons of money trying damn hard to genuninely compete.

This is at the end of the day the top end of motorsport. Get with the program or dont turn up. Running it as a break even "rich boy pay driver" program is not F1 to me. Its not honest racing.

There are enough hobby series around to support people with way too much money to go racing.

The cars should be worthy.

......

[wesley123]

@Mith; true with that, but then we can state the Virgin's will improve as well as well as the rest of the field. So they might qualify in the coming races and after their first update, but after that my guess is that they will fall back again.