myurr wrote:
What the Ferrari wing demonstrates is that it is possible to making flexing carbon fibre bodies that pass the FIAs deflection tests without mechanical mechanisms. That we don't see the splitter flapping about doesn't mean that similar techniques are not in play, just that the splitter is stiffer than the wing.
The 'flapping about' argument is an utterly irrelevant distraction. There is plenty of scope for the splitter to be more flexible than other teams splitters yet stiff enough to not 'flap about'.
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What scope can you have for a floor that has to be 1 thickness, of a homogenous material, which is bolted to a solid CFRP floor?
I want to hear full details.
Well done, someone else posted a picture of a related car just in the nick of time. So now we can say that Red Bull and Torro Rosso have similar wear, and that Williams and Ferrari (that you ignored in your post) have totally different wear.
Given that there is IP transfer between Red Bull and their sister team,
Really now!!
What a baseless accusation. IP transfer, that's almost libel.
to the extent that it has just been discussed by all the teams because of suspected transfer of IP with the EBD, it's more likely that TR are using the same or similar technique to RB rather than to say every team except Williams and Ferrari are doing so.
More of the same, make up as you go.
Yes we have something practical to show - the wear patterns on the splitter have been shown, with diagrams on this board and questions posed to the FIA by teams technical directors, to be possibly due to a flexing splitter.
Which technical directors.
Name them and name the teams. You can't can you? Becuase it's all rumours and chinese telephone.
I know ross Brawn asked about the wing fetching dogs of ferarri. Ferrari calls them project Romulus.
Softer rates are one thing, to have multiple degree changes in pitch will have a serious impact on the aerodynamics and handling.
Tell me how many degrees? Tell me what impact on aero? Why is the impact serious?
How do you determine the border between serious and acceptable?
Put your data forward. Tell me what exactly are you saying. Why say things if you cannot back them up? This kind of posting is getting out of hand.
And if you really think that the Red Bull has twice the downforce then you're on a different planet.
If you think all cars have the same down-force and suspension displacement and movement then you're on a planet without gravity.
Were it as simple as that then all the teams would be doing it. At least two aren't. All the planks are supposed to be using the same material, and yet other teams worry more about the amount of wear than Red Bull seem to have to.
Doing what for what purpose? and which teams are worrying about plank wear?
Snap out of it man, nothing is happening out of the ordinary.
Suppose they do - show how it would work, prove it's viable. Rather than just dismissing everyone else as wrong show how you are right.
It's easy to be fanned away if you don't have any foundation or anchor. This is why it seems like you are being dismissed, but you are not. You are just being asked the right questions.
a car that squats by several degrees at speed
The rake is not more than 1.5 degrees. In fact it's probably less.
Neither of us have anywhere near enough evidence to know one way or the other but the wear patterns are real, are well documented, and are different across the grid.
Well becuase the drivers drive different, and there are things like random stones, random debris, random curb approaches, etc. etc.
What you are doing is akin to reading palms or birthmarks.
To just dismiss others trying to explain this as conspiracy theorists is incredibly rude
Stop trying to make me look like some kind of bad guy to stop me from asking the right things.
It is a conspiracy by definition.
This is a baseless accusation at redbull. It could be rude on anyone's part to approach the FIA openly accusing redbull of using some thinga-majig.
