Scuderia Ferrari 2012

[ecapox]

Pretty much doom and gloom from those articles.

Cliffnots:

Tombazis head is going to roll if the car sucks
The car is a dog
All the innovation has lead to something that be figured out yet. Maybe by race 3.
Media blackout to keep quiet about all the issues
Fighting for mid field...not in midfield but FIGHTING for mid field.
Embarrassment
Many will be fired if the first races don't produce descent results

Never had I read an autosprint article this harsh about Ferrari.....even in the 80s when the cars were pieces of ---.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Pretty much doom and gloom from those articles.

Cliffnots:

Tombazis head is going to roll if the car sucks
The car is a dog
All the innovation has lead to something that be figured out yet. Maybe by race 3.
Media blackout to keep quiet about all the issues
Fighting for mid field...not in midfield but FIGHTING for mid field.
Embarrassment
Many will be fired if the first races don't produce descent results

Never had I read an autosprint article this harsh about Ferrari.....even in the 80s when the cars were pieces of ---.

That's what a mate of mine said who speaks fluent Italian. He said he couldn't believe what they were saying. I refuse to believe the car will fight to get in the midfield.

[radosav]

Pretty much doom and gloom from those articles.

Cliffnots:

Tombazis head is going to roll if the car sucks
The car is a dog
All the innovation has lead to something that be figured out yet. Maybe by race 3.
Media blackout to keep quiet about all the issues
Fighting for mid field...not in midfield but FIGHTING for mid field.
Embarrassment
Many will be fired if the first races don't produce descent results

Never had I read an autosprint article this harsh about Ferrari.....even in the 80s when the cars were pieces of ---.

That's what a mate of mine said who speaks fluent Italian. He said he couldn't believe what they were saying. I refuse to believe the car will fight to get in the midfield.

does Autosprint has some inside information , or have they made their conclusions just looking test events?

[munudeges]

Tombazis head is going to roll if the car sucks

How many more heads can roll? Tombazis is a pretty highly regarded engineer with a reasonable track record of success. If I were at another team I'd recruit him as a Chief Aerodynamacist at the very least because that's what his background is in. To my mind, and it goes back to what I might have said before, the organisational structure of that team makes no sense to me. If Tombazis's head is to roll for the car then why wasn't he made Technical Director, and what have Pat Fry and the much vaunted Rory Byrne been doing? Who created the philosophy behind that car, or was it just plasticined together from the thoughts of three people?

Honestly, who thought that front pull-rod suspension would give any benefit? It will subtly alter the mechanics of a known and solid solution, probably with profound effects on the tyres, for little to no benefit.

Fighting for mid field...not in midfield but FIGHTING for mid field.
Embarrassment

Given the times they did on a comparable race run with Lotus then I'd say that is pretty accurate.

Many will be fired if the first races don't produce descent results

Most probably, but I think the problems run deeper than just the people.

[GrizzleBoy]

Tbh, I'm hoping this is just all BS'ing to get us all glued into our newly acquired sky sports seats so we can see just wtf is going on.

Ferrari fighting for mid field? Hmm.......

Of course it sounds bad, but I'll believe it when I see it.

And if I have to read another "analysis" in regards to lap times one more time.....

[radosav]

observation of someone who watched tests at montmelo track: Omg what a crappy car have they created! I stood at trackside in turn 3 at Barcelona’ the corner exit speed was so slow due to the lack of grip, everytime the Ferrari came by I couldn’t believe my eyes and ears – compared to other cars in the same corner it was pretty remarkable. As a Ferrari fan I’m hugely dissappointed and the season hasn’t even started yet!

[raymondu999]

Wow. Pat Fry's body language in the first 50 seconds I think says it all! It looks as though he's thoroughly despondent, and is expecting a severe uphill struggle. I imagine at that point he has exhausted (hoho!) his obvious ideas for fixing the car, and can't at that moment think of a simple way forward.

Maybe you haven't watched many Pat Fry interviews. He seems the way he always does.

For comparison here's a MP4-24 interview he did a while back about how they changed the MP4-24 into a winner:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pG5h8YTIJA[/youtube]

[CHT]

Tombazis head is going to roll if the car sucks

How many more heads can roll? Tombazis is a pretty highly regarded engineer with a reasonable track record of success. If I were at another team I'd recruit him as a Chief Aerodynamacist at the very least because that's what his background is in. To my mind, and it goes back to what I might have said before, the organisational structure of that team makes no sense to me. If Tombazis's head is to roll for the car then why wasn't he made Technical Director, and what have Pat Fry and the much vaunted Rory Byrne been doing? Who created the philosophy behind that car, or was it just plasticined together from the thoughts of three people?

Honestly, who thought that front pull-rod suspension would give any benefit? It will subtly alter the mechanics of a known and solid solution, probably with profound effects on the tyres, for little to no benefit.

Fighting for mid field...not in midfield but FIGHTING for mid field.
Embarrassment

Given the times they did on a comparable race run with Lotus then I'd say that is pretty accurate.

Many will be fired if the first races don't produce descent results

Most probably, but I think the problems run deeper than just the people.

I believe the problem is not with the individual, but how Ferrari put all these highly talented individual together as a team. Maybe there are too many "stars" engineer around with conflicting design philosophy or maybe the leader or organization structure is unable to extract the best out of each individual.

[scuderiafan]

All I will say is this: remember what happened to McLaren last year. They had a dog in pre-season testing, and then turned it into an absolute wolf (go with it) and took the fight to Red Bull.

[bosanac1]

autosprint article is very harsh almost too harsh to believe

unless this year the middlefield 6th place to 16th separated by few tenths

[raymondu999]

All I will say is this: remember what happened to McLaren last year. They had a dog in pre-season testing.

Did they? Other than floors melting and exhaust reliability issues - were they really dogs in testing? Not much changed between the last test and Melbourne in 2011 - other than the copying of the Red Bull exhaust.

[danardif1]

All I will say is this: remember what happened to McLaren last year. They had a dog in pre-season testing.

Did they? Other than floors melting and exhaust reliability issues - were they really dogs in testing? Not much changed between the last test and Melbourne in 2011 - other than the copying of the Red Bull exhaust.

I remember telling everybody I could on the Autosport forums that when I was at Jerez in 2011, the McLaren actually looked to be a very stable car in the quicker corners, it was just that I didn't see much of them because their reliability was so poor. The low speed stuff wasn't as good then, but much of that was solved with the adoption of the RB-style EBD exhaust.

No-one listened though, they preferred to have 'experts' tell them that Ferrari were looking to be the quickest...

[raymondu999]

That's what I'm saying - for what it's worth though the slow speed really did get sorted out in a big way - I think over the course of the season; they were probably quicker than the Red Bull in slow speed corners and chicanes.

[Hail22]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmMa7hX ... page#t=14s

He looks like a man that is about to be executed...

I watch the video without sound and after each sentence it looks like he's smiling

Most likely he knows that a major upgrade was in works as of the First test and that the Aero testing, CFD confirmed the direction they need to be heading?

Just over a week now but like the other big players Ferrari will land on Wednesday night (week) most likely in Melbourne.

*sends positive energy*

[dren]

Mclaren had serious reliability issues with radical parts last year. This Ferrari doesn't have the reliability issues, it is just not sorted yet. I don't see that happening. Mclaren slapped on an exhaust that fit well with their overall original design philosophy. I don't think Ferrari is as bad as we think. The car needs to be sorted. Although, perhaps they went too extreme on every area which compromised the overall synergy of everything working together?