Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari 2012 - not the car!

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You're right, we can probably drop the "not the car" bit now that we have all the team talk in a team forum. Done.

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Fernando in the simulator

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In the area where he crashed in 2010 FP3, no less :P
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AutoSprint reports former Mercedes Aerodynamicist Loic Bigois will arrive in Maranello in September. If true it's great news for the Ferrari Aerodynamics Department.

http://www.auto.it/autosprint/formula_1 ... in+Ferrari

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Does Bigois have a claim to fame, so to speak, other than the BGP 001?

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but - I am anyway - I don't see anything on this guy's resume that sticks out as a "ooh, I want that guy for my team" kinda thing. His arrival at Williams roughly coincided with its fall from grace; he didn't make a mark at Honda at all; and it's difficult for me to give an abundance of credit for the BGP 001 considering the rule shift for 2009 made it inevitable that one team would hit the nail on the head and stand above the rest. To me, what's more representative is the fact that the BGP 001 got steadily worse as the season progressed.

That car won the championship only due to its staggering early-season form. By the end of the year, it was maybe the 3rd best car overall. I think that's a pretty damning piece of evidence in terms of Bigois' ability.

I'm hoping that Ferrari's claim of having no deal with Bigois is true.

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bhallg2k wrote:....
Don't expect a tremendous amount of iterations to the FW :D , kinda glad he's gone from Merc.
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bhallg2k wrote:Does Bigois have a claim to fame, so to speak, other than the BGP 001?

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but - I am anyway - I don't see anything on this guy's resume that sticks out as a "ooh, I want that guy for my team" kinda thing. His arrival at Williams roughly coincided with its fall from grace; he didn't make a mark at Honda at all; and it's difficult for me to give an abundance of credit for the BGP 001 considering the rule shift for 2009 made it inevitable that one team would hit the nail on the head and stand above the rest. To me, what's more representative is the fact that the BGP 001 got steadily worse as the season progressed.

That car won the championship only due to its staggering early-season form. By the end of the year, it was maybe the 3rd best car overall. I think that's a pretty damning piece of evidence in terms of Bigois' ability.

I'm hoping that Ferrari's claim of having no deal with Bigois is true.
True, but top aerodynamacists are hard to find. I'd rather have someone like Allison or Prodrodmou but it seems it is hard to pry these guys away from their respective teams.

Anyway still no confirmation from Ferrari that he will join. I think the media think he will join because they see Bigois will join and they know Ferrari are looking for aerodynamicists.

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Domenicali on Monaco, Canada & updates to the F2012. Of course he says the F2012 needs more DF while maintaining efficiency. It seems Ferrari are currently happy with their top speed right now, they just want to maintain said top speed & add some DF. Good interview.



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k57606x9nmg[/youtube]

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bhallg2k wrote:Does Bigois have a claim to fame, so to speak, other than the BGP 001?

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but - I am anyway - I don't see anything on this guy's resume that sticks out as a "ooh, I want that guy for my team" kinda thing. His arrival at Williams roughly coincided with its fall from grace; he didn't make a mark at Honda at all; and it's difficult for me to give an abundance of credit for the BGP 001 considering the rule shift for 2009 made it inevitable that one team would hit the nail on the head and stand above the rest. To me, what's more representative is the fact that the BGP 001 got steadily worse as the season progressed.

That car won the championship only due to its staggering early-season form. By the end of the year, it was maybe the 3rd best car overall. I think that's a pretty damning piece of evidence in terms of Bigois' ability.

I'm hoping that Ferrari's claim of having no deal with Bigois is true.
I'm not sure why you feel like he has to have a claim to fame? There are many good Aerodynamic Engineers in F1 who don't have a claim to fame. How did Prodromou do when he has "Head Of Aero" at McLaren with the MP4-21?? I'll let you answer that one.

Mercedes/Brawn never had aerodynamics as it's weakest link like Ferrari do. Which means this is good if he comes to Ferrari. The fact is he's a good aero engineer and his contribution will be welcomed. In an area where the team is the weakest, more experience won't hurt the team should he come. Unless the F2012 takes a serious downward turn throughout the rest of the year, Tombazis isn't going anywhere and will remain "Head Of Aerodynamics" so bringing in a big name like Newey or Prodromou wouldn't go over so well especially with many still angry over the Costa decision.

Also the Brawn declining throughout the year isn't any indication of his abilities or lack thereof. A lot of it is down to money and the other teams simply catching up. But the head of aero doesn't determine which direction the cars development goes, thats the technical director & designer. How do you know he didn't bring some designs forward only to be shot down from the TD or designer? Like with the MP4-21, it was Newey's design but Prodromou was head of aero. Anyhow I'm not sure how you think another solid aerodynamicist isn't needed in a team that is lacking in said department. It baffles me that because he isn't a big name, we don't need him. :roll:

Brawn GP aerodynamicist wins Dino Toso award


Edit: It should also be noted he is rumored to be taking over wind tunnel development for Ferrari

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSQLOCD ... fu[youtube]

Summary

1. Need to get more down-force.
2. Some updates related with Canada
3. Important to have consistency
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Very good article from James Allen regarding Ferrari & Alonso

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/05/h ... pens-next/

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bhallg2k wrote:Does Bigois have a claim to fame, so to speak, other than the BGP 001?
No, and that was really Zander's car. As soon as he left it went downhill.

Bigois has had quite an inconspicuous career where the Prosts he designed didn't inspire confidence. Personally, I'm at a loss as to what value Ferrari would see in him.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:Does Bigois have a claim to fame, so to speak, other than the BGP 001?

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but - I am anyway - I don't see anything on this guy's resume that sticks out as a "ooh, I want that guy for my team" kinda thing. His arrival at Williams roughly coincided with its fall from grace; he didn't make a mark at Honda at all; and it's difficult for me to give an abundance of credit for the BGP 001 considering the rule shift for 2009 made it inevitable that one team would hit the nail on the head and stand above the rest. To me, what's more representative is the fact that the BGP 001 got steadily worse as the season progressed.

That car won the championship only due to its staggering early-season form. By the end of the year, it was maybe the 3rd best car overall. I think that's a pretty damning piece of evidence in terms of Bigois' ability.

I'm hoping that Ferrari's claim of having no deal with Bigois is true.
I'm not sure why you feel like he has to have a claim to fame? There are many good Aerodynamic Engineers in F1 who don't have a claim to fame. How did Prodromou do when he has "Head Of Aero" at McLaren with the MP4-21?? I'll let you answer that one.

Mercedes/Brawn never had aerodynamics as it's weakest link like Ferrari do. Which means this is good if he comes to Ferrari. The fact is he's a good aero engineer and his contribution will be welcomed. In an area where the team is the weakest, more experience won't hurt the team should he come. Unless the F2012 takes a serious downward turn throughout the rest of the year, Tombazis isn't going anywhere and will remain "Head Of Aerodynamics" so bringing in a big name like Newey or Prodromou wouldn't go over so well especially with many still angry over the Costa decision.

Also the Brawn declining throughout the year isn't any indication of his abilities or lack thereof. A lot of it is down to money and the other teams simply catching up. But the head of aero doesn't determine which direction the cars development goes, thats the technical director & designer. How do you know he didn't bring some designs forward only to be shot down from the TD or designer? Like with the MP4-21, it was Newey's design but Prodromou was head of aero. Anyhow I'm not sure how you think another solid aerodynamicist isn't needed in a team that is lacking in said department. It baffles me that because he isn't a big name, we don't need him. :roll:

Brawn GP aerodynamicist wins Dino Toso award


Edit: It should also be noted he is rumored to be taking over wind tunnel development for Ferrari
The rumour last year was that Hennel had replaced De Luca as head of aero. However, from what i can gather from the Italian papers, it seems that Tombazis is Chief Designer and is also managing the aerodyanmics department. I imagine Bigois' appointment would take some of the heavy workload off Tombazis.

People will tend to judge designers and engineers based on the cars they've worked on. Problem is that we do not know what went on behind closed doors and how these people work.

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Just for info, this morning northern Italy was hit again by a strong earthquake, all activities stopped in Maranello to let every worker come back home and check the situation. Even Alonso, who was in the simulator (or should be during the day), has been evacuated.
The situation looks quite good there, not so good in the rest of the region, there are casualties, many buildings collapsed.