A small mistake? Romain darted to the right hand side of the track for no reason other than he choose too (it would have been different had he been forced too) He crowded Lewis off the track and made a serious error of judgement by both getting way too close to lewis, and far worst locking his back wheel behind Lewis' front wheel giving Lewis both no where to go and no chance to brakejdlive wrote:Shouldn't they be penalizing cause instead of consequence? This is a bit childish.
Grosjean made a small mistake, we've seen way bigger ones this season, both in severity and especially in intent. It's not Grosjean's fault it ended up with an almost decapitated Alonso.
.Yes Grosjean was on the racing line and he was in the clear but mostly on the start the inside of the corner is the quicker way to go. I can understand Grosjean going to the inside, however I cannot justify him not seeing Hamilton.
What I think is interesting is the reasoning by the stewards...We know that La Source is a very tough corner. It was a bit of a crazy start as well with [Pastor] Maldonado leaving [early] and the Sauber [Kamui Kobayashi] smoking a lot.
"I did a mistake and I misjudged the gap with Lewis [Hamilton]. I was sure I was in front of him. So a small mistake made a big incident."
The highlighted part shouldn't even enter into it."The Stewards regard this as an extremely serious breach of the regulations which had the potential to cause injury to others. It eliminated leading championship contenders from the race......
Looking at the number should be looked at a case by case basis; in the case of a start I pretty much agree to take that into the equation: you are doing something dangerous in a situation where alot of cars will always be around you. I do feel like this should not be put into the equation during the race itself when you crash with somebody and one or two cars behind that also get caught up. The chance is alot smaller that that happens and is a case of very bad luck when you do make that mistake.richard_leeds wrote:I agree. The scale of the consequences should be a factor just like any other consideration of negligence. It should be about the number of drivers knocked out, who they were should be irrelevant.
Watching the video posted earlier of the incident, Lewis was between a rock and a hard place. Better put: he was between Romain's front tire, rear tire, and the wall. In regards to hitting the brakes, they were still through acceleration when they made contact and Lewis' fronts lifted, essentially removing the effort from those brakes as well as being launched upwards, reducing efficiency of the rear brakes. In this particular case (bear in mind I am no flag-waver for Hamilton), Hamilton was stuck in a situation out of his control.strad wrote:
He has tiny little mirrors in which you can' see much but Hamilon had Grosjean ahead ansd to his left and could see him coming the whole way. He has a responsibility to avoid contact he sees coming..The Frenchman was ahead of Louis. After initial contact..if you've watched frame by frame, Louis stays on the throttle for a long time when he should have had faster reactions and got onto his brakes...he didn't...he exacerbated the whole thing by pushing Grosjean.
I ain't down on Louis but this time he could have avoided the whole thing.
I think y'all are being very hard on Romain.
He was basically past him, he had every right to. Are we watching the same video?the EDGE wrote:A small mistake? Romain darted to the right hand side of the track for no reason other than he choose too (it would have been different had he been forced too) He crowded Lewis off the track and made a serious error of judgement by both getting way too close to lewis, and far worst locking his back wheel behind Lewis' front wheel giving Lewis both no where to go and no chance to brakejdlive wrote:Shouldn't they be penalizing cause instead of consequence? This is a bit childish.
Grosjean made a small mistake, we've seen way bigger ones this season, both in severity and especially in intent. It's not Grosjean's fault it ended up with an almost decapitated Alonso.
I can't believe some people are commenting without even seeing the footage first, they ARE penalising the cause and not the consequence
jdlive wrote:That video shows Grosjean was clearly PAST Hamilton and instead of lifting, Hamilton kept on the throttle...
He was nowhere near past him, he has absolutely no right to shove Lewis onto the grass. You must not be watching the same video because it's clear as day he wasn't past him. You must be watching a re-enactment because there was no before the Grosjean-initiated contact where he was anything close to being ahead. The reason Lewis hit him from behind is that Grosjean drove him into the grass slowing him down and getting him out of shape. Grosjean couldn't be more at fault for this entire accident unless he got out of his car and sliced everyone tires. The moron has no spatial awareness.jdlive wrote: He was basically past him, he had every right to. Are we watching the same video?
What?! Lewis pushed Grosjean? Do you have corrected vision? Grosjean quite literally drove into Lewis. Full stop. The onboard video clearly shows it, and the other cameras showing him cutting right across the track and over the front of Lewis' car. This was clearly a stupid and dangerous move by Grosjean. One he's done before.strad wrote:.... Louis stays on the throttle for a long time when he should have had faster reactions and got onto his brakes...he didn't...he exacerbated the whole thing by pushing Grosjean.
I thought that was only in a defensive maneuver?turbof1 wrote:The rules are clear: you need to leave one car width between yourself and the track before you fully past the car. Romain clearly didn't do that here, as Hamilton was still half a length next to Romain.
If Grosjean was past Hamilton then he wouldn't have hit him would he?jdlive wrote:That video shows Grosjean was clearly PAST Hamilton and instead of lifting, Hamilton kept on the throttle...
I heard several commentators use the rule in this occasion. I am not sure though, you could be right. Well, it doesn't matter so much anyhow; Grosjean wasn't ahead of him.Ray wrote:I thought that was only in a defensive maneuver?turbof1 wrote:The rules are clear: you need to leave one car width between yourself and the track before you fully past the car. Romain clearly didn't do that here, as Hamilton was still half a length next to Romain.
Well i think most of us agree on the penalty itself, but not in the context it was placed.Jersey Tom wrote:This is pretty clear cut and done with folks. No sense in getting your panties in a bunch over it.
It's not just about this ONE incident. It's a summation of start crashes, and this was the last straw for the stewards.
