Mercedes AMG F1 W03

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I still fail to understand why none of the teams really intergrate the aero sensors into their car design from the outset..but prefer to sort of hang on the items routing cables ,mounts ,covers and the sensors itself right across aero critical surfaces -modifying the measured data in the process.

You don´t have to look too far these days with OEMs actually designing the measurement equipment into the available CAD files from the outset...it´s one aspect of the car as interior or wiring -just never reaching the endcustomer of course...but still an integral part of the product development process...

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Dragonfly wrote:I don't remember ever seeing the car with so many hang-on sensor arrays. Does it mean they finally need fresh data to feed to their CFD systems and simulator? Or simply to compare field data with the virtual models?
Knowing this team, those sensors are probably not even connected.
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Dragonfly wrote:I don't remember ever seeing the car with so many hang-on sensor arrays. Does it mean they finally need fresh data to feed to their CFD systems and simulator? Or simply to compare field data with the virtual models?
Considering that all the top teams use these regularly throughout the season, I would think these are used for co-relation, just like flo-wiz (which is another tool I have yet to see Merc use). Finally, Merc has someone at the facility who can use the data (Willis) and has the money to buy the sensors.

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xpensive wrote:
Dragonfly wrote:I don't remember ever seeing the car with so many hang-on sensor arrays. Does it mean they finally need fresh data to feed to their CFD systems and simulator? Or simply to compare field data with the virtual models?
Knowing this team, those sensors are probably not even connected.
Knowing you, you are probably just trolling

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So they finally unveiled the updates they promised for Singapore. The one thing that makes me wonder along with other members on this forum is that they are using sensors on the car. Is it really the first time? Is it because of their 60% model? The thing is they are always late with their upgrades. We can all remember how long it took them to adapt EBD last year. I hope it helps the car gain some pace or it's all wasted effort.
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Also they have a "RBR" look air inlet on the front. No one noticed?

Hope they know what they are doing. The front right tyre looks death but offcourse we cant now how many laps they have done.
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I thought it is because of the angle of the shot, but one one photo it seemed to me the step of the nose is bigger.
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Morteza wrote:So they finally unveiled the updates they promised for Singapore. The one thing that makes me wonder along with other members on this forum is that they are using sensors on the car. Is it really the first time? Is it because of their 60% model? The thing is they are always late with their upgrades. We can all remember how long it took them to adapt EBD last year. I hope it helps the car gain some pace or it's all wasted effort.
But one thing not may people realise that whenever Mercedes introduce a upgrade it always work! Unlike teams like Lotus Williams etc. they need hell lot of track running on EVERY single upgrade they introduce.

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NonNewtonic wrote:
Morteza wrote:So they finally unveiled the updates they promised for Singapore. The one thing that makes me wonder along with other members on this forum is that they are using sensors on the car. Is it really the first time? Is it because of their 60% model? The thing is they are always late with their upgrades. We can all remember how long it took them to adapt EBD last year. I hope it helps the car gain some pace or it's all wasted effort.
But one thing not may people realise that whenever Mercedes introduce a upgrade it always work! Unlike teams like Lotus Williams etc. they need hell lot of track running on EVERY single upgrade they introduce.
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Sam this morning on twitter
@sambirdracing: Morning everyone. Another important day of testing today. As always I will give 100% for @MercedesAMGF1
I ask:
@sambirdracing @MercedesAMGF1 COME ON Sam!! Will you be doing hot laps today?
he replies:
@sambirdracing: @MercAMGF1Fans I'm sorry guys, I can't say what im doing like that but what I will say is that we are doing very important work at the test

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marcush. wrote:I still fail to understand why none of the teams really intergrate the aero sensors into their car design from the outset..but prefer to sort of hang on the items routing cables ,mounts ,covers and the sensors itself right across aero critical surfaces -modifying the measured data in the process.

You don´t have to look too far these days with OEMs actually designing the measurement equipment into the available CAD files from the outset...it´s one aspect of the car as interior or wiring -just never reaching the endcustomer of course...but still an integral part of the product development process...

If teams were to build in the sensor array and wiring they'd have to take a massive penatly on car performance. The cars ate packed as tightly as possible as it is to increase aero performance. That's why the data loggers for these tests are taped to the side of RWEPs and the like. If that box was built in to the RWEP for example, you'd be carrying around unnecessary weight and would most likely have illegal parts due to the size.

It makes no sense to build the sensors into the car, or even leave space for them internally. Only small areas need to be tested at one time to check correlation. The boxes and wiring looms are placed in areas that won't affect results. We are talking about some of the top engineers in the world here, not keyboard worriors.

Oh, and Mercedes use a 50% model. Not 60% as someone was questioning.


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PhantomPoster wrote:
marcush. wrote:I still fail to understand why none of the teams really intergrate the aero sensors into their car design from the outset..but prefer to sort of hang on the items routing cables ,mounts ,covers and the sensors itself right across aero critical surfaces -modifying the measured data in the process.

You don´t have to look too far these days with OEMs actually designing the measurement equipment into the available CAD files from the outset...it´s one aspect of the car as interior or wiring -just never reaching the endcustomer of course...but still an integral part of the product development process...

If teams were to build in the sensor array and wiring they'd have to take a massive penatly on car performance. The cars ate packed as tightly as possible as it is to increase aero performance. That's why the data loggers for these tests are taped to the side of RWEPs and the like. If that box was built in to the RWEP for example, you'd be carrying around unnecessary weight and would most likely have illegal parts due to the size.

It makes no sense to build the sensors into the car, or even leave space for them internally. Only small areas need to be tested at one time to check correlation. The boxes and wiring looms are placed in areas that won't affect results. We are talking about some of the top engineers in the world here, not keyboard worriors.

Oh, and Mercedes use a 50% model. Not 60% as someone was questioning.


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Many websites quoted brawn saying they the wind tunnel was upgraded to use 60% model. It was also reported in this forum somewhere. Cant find the link now.

Autosport's link: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102447

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i thought mercedes were one of the few teams that had a full size wind tunnel?
surely all they did was change the model they were using to a 60% scale?

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I dont think anyone runs a full size wind tunnel model.