Why Singapore is a crap Racing Circuit?

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Do you agree?

Poll ended at 04 Oct 2012, 17:57

Yes
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Sort off
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May be a Little
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Not Really
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Total votes: 74

RB7ate9
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Well, the tight turns on the street circuit do make for more processional races akin to Monaco and Valencia. Difficult overtaking opportunities (if any) don't make for exciting races per se, but the track lends itself to more exciting qualifying sessions.

Which is what I was thinking watching the qualifying today. The race itself is rather boring, but seeing the cars race the times was exciting, as everyone was getting closer and closer to the walls (with Senna and a few others making contact). Overall, I think Monaco, Valencia, and Singapore would be fun tracks to drive on for the technical challenges, but they are mediocre to terrible for wheel-to-wheel.

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strad
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Most street circuits are made up of 90° corners,,,That's part of the other crap I mentioned.
But I sure love the looks under the lights...remember when people tried to argue that night F1 racing wouldn't work? HAHAHA laughs on them...most won't admit it today...anyway...love the night racing and the fact that if they try to play fast and loose with the track edges, they get punished...BUT,,,yes, street races with their 90° corners don't make for good racing,,, I remember Phoenix all too well. Supposedly that separates the proposed track in New Jersey from most.
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PlatinumZealot
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beelsebob wrote:I agree about it being uncompromising; requiring precission; spectacular looking, especially at night and all that, but ultimately... It's --- boring! The track layout is just *dull*, they're 100% right that it's *all* 90° corners. The only exception are the last two corners, which really are taken as one (you guessed it) 90° corner.
I thought Valencia was boring too.. until...2012 PIRELLI BUBBLE GUMS!!

No one can say what to expect from the tack this year with these tyres; seemingly boring tracks have totally transformed in mysterious ways.

Anyway, I really like when Singapore comes around. I like the lights, the upgrades, the movie-like atmosphere with the glitz and glamour (big star studded concerts!), the climate! which poses a big challenge for the drivers, and finally the track itself.

The track is a gauntlet! 23 slow speed turns that are very unforgiving, a lot of them 90 degrees which i love, the bumps, the curbs, the dust. Only true hand eye precision, mental focus and real endurance can take you through to the finish line! A real drivers track I think it is. People have been disputing the drivers track appraisal for a while, but lets be real here, there are not many tracks where the drivers out qualify teammates by over half second to one second! There must be something in this track that causes that.

Viewers may not feel the buzz that the Challenge brings to the drivers because of the processional nature of the track, but I think the Pirellis might cause a shake up this time around.
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walter
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half of the corners all look the same, which makes them indistinguishable when watching the race on TV. The track needs to look different at each corner.

Cold Fussion
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The track is boring and dull, the mickey mouse section is absolutely woeful and the 'night time' aspect is just appalling. It is not a night time race if it is illuminated by 1 million ultra bright spotlights.

dave34m
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Cold Fussion wrote:The track is boring and dull, the mickey mouse section is absolutely woeful and the 'night time' aspect is just appalling. It is not a night time race if it is illuminated by 1 million ultra bright spotlights.
Umm, I would have thought its a night race if its raced at night

kris
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walter wrote:half of the corners all look the same, which makes them indistinguishable when watching the race on TV. The track needs to look different at each corner.
This was a problem with earlier years. This could be one of the reasons they started color coding the walls/barries of various sectors this year.

Belatti
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The main thing that makes me dislike these type of circuits like Valencia and Singapore is that 90% of the corners are taken at relativaly low speeds for an F1 car.

Monaco is way different, more dangerous, with closer walls.
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CHT
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Singapore it is not a racing circuit, it is a street circuit (expect for the pit straight) so its really pointless to compare it to race tracks which are designed solely for that purpose. one will have to give it to Singapore for being able to put such a spectacular night race right in the heart of the city and to do it with that spectacular backdrop is just amazing.

As Bernie just said, he is not is good position to negotiate for this contract because every teams just wishes to be here.

CHT
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Belatti wrote:The main thing that makes me dislike these type of circuits like Valencia and Singapore is that 90% of the corners are taken at relativaly low speeds for an F1 car.

Monaco is way different, more dangerous, with closer walls.
But the track side atmosphere is great for street race. You can literally smells the exhaust fumes.

CHT
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The_Man wrote:Here are some of my views about the Singapore Grand Prix.
Just wanted to figure how much consensus there is about this among fans (or am I the only one that thinks like this). Don't mean to be derogatory or infumigative.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/mahek-mo ... tif_t=like
Turn 10 was never a corner for overtaking. It is know for having notorious bumps that can send cars flying.

jdlive
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Since everything needs to go green, why not lose all of those ridiculously expensive lights and let them race in the dark? That would make the whole more spectacular. Filming could be done with night cameras. =D>
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...

I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.

Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."

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strad
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Instead of Monaco, it always, this year included, reminds of some Indycar race.
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skgoa
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CHT wrote:Singapore it is not a racing circuit, it is a street circuit (expect for the pit straight) so its really pointless to compare it to race tracks which are designed solely for that purpose.
Uhm... no. It's an F1 Grand Prix and we can very well compare it to other venues. Because races at many other venues aren't boring every year. Because other venues aren't boring in and of themselves.

RB7ate9
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jdlive wrote:Since everything needs to go green, why not lose all of those ridiculously expensive lights and let them race in the dark? That would make the whole more spectacular. Filming could be done with night cameras. =D>
Ever since I saw "Cars 2" with the F1-based car Bernoulli racing with LED headlights on the front wing, I've really REALLY wanted a team to try something like that. Maybe half the wattage at Singapore and have Abu Dhabi be more like a Le Mans day-dusk-night race?!