What are the odds of Alonso losing it?

[raymondu999]

Well if we do look at the season as a whole, we have the include the races before Barcelona. In the first 4 races, the F2012 was quite uncompetitive.

I agree that since Barcelona, it's been up there and pretty consistent, but never been the out right best (except as you say perhaps Monza). I'd argue that Red Bull have been as consistant or even more consistant over the season as a whole, but havn't had the reliablity.

Poor choice of words on my parti meant since Barcelona.

Re Red Bull - surely reliability (other than outright pace) should also be a factor of calling the Ferrari the most consistent package?

Looked pretty competitive in Malaysia in the wet.

Or any wet session for that matter. Even when it was a dog.

Only in Alonso's hands.

The fact stands though. In the wet, the Ferrari is probably the second quickest car, after the Sauber. The Red Bull, McLaren and Lotus have all not been as good as the Ferrari in the wet. Probably only the Sauber is quicker.

[jdlive]

Did anyone also notice: give Vettel the best car and he dominates and puts down record after record, Schumacher in his day the same. Give Hamilton the best car and he's having trouble to even be in championship contention, let alone win it by domination. There is so much bias concerning everything Hamilton, something that is probably also very present in his entourage and at Mclaren (constant pampering I can imagine, "you are the best, even though you never actually prove(d) it" stuff) which will probably assure he'll never win a WDC again.

He could use me in his entourage, anyone have his cell phone number?

[Nando]

Vettel had a superior car in every way that year.
Nobody has a superior car this year. Nobody.

Vettel had the "best" car in F3 and did not dominate.

[jdlive]

Haha come on, the Mclaren is superior in every way this season. It's perfectly capable of what Vettel did. The difference is that neither Button nor Hamilton are capable of Vettel or Schumacher-style domination.

[Nando]

Haha come on, the Mclaren is superior in every way this season. It's perfectly capable of what Vettel did. The difference is that neither Button nor Hamilton are capable of Vettel or Schumacher-style domination.

Yea it was so superior in Malaysia in the race, and in Valencia, and in Silverstone and in Germany.

The only time it was truly superior was in Race 1.
But that was largely because Ferrari design their car under the influence of mexican mushrooms and Newey had a mental breakdown.

Vettel last year had a superior car in 99% of the races. Even a millisecond from beating the all-time world record around Monaco.

And Singapore? I seem to remember a german topping the charts then choking when it counted.

[ajdavison2]

Did anyone also notice: give Vettel the best car and he dominates and puts down record after record, Schumacher in his day the same. Give Hamilton the best car and he's having trouble to even be in championship contention, let alone win it by domination. There is so much bias concerning everything Hamilton, something that is probably also very present in his entourage and at Mclaren (constant pampering I can imagine, "you are the best, even though you never actually prove(d) it" stuff) which will probably assure he'll never win a WDC again.

He could use me in his entourage, anyone have his cell phone number?

The only reason he's not leading the championship is through mclarens errors though.

[jdlive]

Did anyone also notice: give Vettel the best car and he dominates and puts down record after record, Schumacher in his day the same. Give Hamilton the best car and he's having trouble to even be in championship contention, let alone win it by domination. There is so much bias concerning everything Hamilton, something that is probably also very present in his entourage and at Mclaren (constant pampering I can imagine, "you are the best, even though you never actually prove(d) it" stuff) which will probably assure he'll never win a WDC again.

He could use me in his entourage, anyone have his cell phone number?

The only reason he's not leading the championship is through mclarens errors though.

As if he wouldn't have made errors himself if it weren't for his team. That's kind of the thing with Hamilton, always something, Bold and the beautiful-style, drama, spotlights, antics, delivering more off track than on track. More or will this suffice for now?

[jdlive]

Haha come on, the Mclaren is superior in every way this season. It's perfectly capable of what Vettel did. The difference is that neither Button nor Hamilton are capable of Vettel or Schumacher-style domination.

Yea it was so superior in Malaysia in the race, and in Valencia, and in Silverstone and in Germany.

The only time it was truly superior was in Race 1.
But that was largely because Ferrari design their car under the influence of mexican mushrooms and Newey had a mental breakdown.

Vettel last year had a superior car in 99% of the races. Even a millisecond from beating the all-time world record around Monaco.

And Singapore? I seem to remember a german topping the charts then choking when it counted.

Right, it was by far the best car since race 1 and has been ever since. No contest there.

[raymondu999]

And Singapore? I seem to remember a german topping the charts then choking when it counted.

I'm still not convinced that's what happened. He got caught out by slow outlaps from other cars at first, then the conditions had changed and he couldn't get the tyres working.

[Gerhard Berger]

The fact stands though. In the wet, the Ferrari is probably the second quickest car, after the Sauber. The Red Bull, McLaren and Lotus have all not been as good as the Ferrari in the wet. Probably only the Sauber is quicker.

Well Massa got knocked out in the wet Q2 in Hockenheim and struggled home to a lowly finish in Malaysia. In Silverstone he qualified P5 which was a good result for him, but he still had the Red Bulls (who incidentally looked pretty decent in the wet) and Schumacher ahead of him.

The Ferrari is comparitively better in the wet than in the dry, but some credit has to go for Alonso - he puts it up there at the front whilst his teammate is unable to.

[beelsebob]

Haha come on, the Mclaren is superior in every way this season. It's perfectly capable of what Vettel did. The difference is that neither Button nor Hamilton are capable of Vettel or Schumacher-style domination.

Yea it was so superior in Malaysia in the race, and in Valencia, and in Silverstone and in Germany.

The only time it was truly superior was in Race 1.
But that was largely because Ferrari design their car under the influence of mexican mushrooms and Newey had a mental breakdown.

Vettel last year had a superior car in 99% of the races. Even a millisecond from beating the all-time world record around Monaco.

And Singapore? I seem to remember a german topping the charts then choking when it counted.

Right, it was by far the best car since race 1 and has been ever since. No contest there.

Dude... stop trolling... To put the opposite (also retarded) argument to you... The Red Bull was clearly fastest in Valencia, therefore Vettel has had the fastest car all season, and therefore clearly Vettel is incapable of leading a championship even when given the fastest car.

[Gerhard Berger]

Haha come on, the Mclaren is superior in every way this season. It's perfectly capable of what Vettel did. The difference is that neither Button nor Hamilton are capable of Vettel or Schumacher-style domination.

Yea it was so superior in Malaysia in the race, and in Valencia, and in Silverstone and in Germany.

The only time it was truly superior was in Race 1.
But that was largely because Ferrari design their car under the influence of mexican mushrooms and Newey had a mental breakdown.

Vettel last year had a superior car in 99% of the races. Even a millisecond from beating the all-time world record around Monaco.

And Singapore? I seem to remember a german topping the charts then choking when it counted.

It's also worth noting that Vettel had a dominant car in 2010, and made hard work of it (though that was not all his fault).

[raymondu999]

Well Massa got knocked out in the wet Q2 in Hockenheim and struggled home to a lowly finish in Malaysia. In Silverstone he qualified P5 which was a good result for him, but he still had the Red Bulls (who incidentally looked pretty decent in the wet) and Schumacher ahead of him.

The Ferrari is comparitively better in the wet than in the dry, but some credit has to go for Alonso - he puts it up there at the front whilst his teammate is unable to.

Oh Alonso is a spectacular driver. But I think his teammate Massa is flattering him somewhat, by being ultra-rubbish. The 2012 Massa is, in my view, unable to even touch a candle, let alone hold a candle to his 2008 self. If we had someone like a Vettel or Hamilton in the Number 6 Ferrari, I think things would be far closer than they are now.

[astracrazy]

Haha come on, the Mclaren is superior in every way this season. It's perfectly capable of what Vettel did. The difference is that neither Button nor Hamilton are capable of Vettel or Schumacher-style domination.

Its only been truly the best car since there big update in germany. Since germany, they have had 4 poles and 3 wins (and lets be fair highly likely would of been 4). 3 poles and 2 (should of been 3) wins for Hamilton

Your comments about not being able to be dominant when the car is the best on the grid are rubbish

and lets be fair, now Schumacher isn't in the best car - its embarrassing. And as for Vettel, its quiet clear what made him and quick last year....its been banned and look at the results of it.

Do you watch any races?

[hairy]

I'm not a fan boi, or anything, but saying Hamilton isn't capable of dominating in a car deemed the best is palpable nonsense. He'd be in the lead of the championship were it not for operational errors and the unreliability of the car. I have seen at least 80 points go begging for him this year alone.

Button has proven he can dominate, winning 6/7 in the best car, before the otehr caught up, and Brawn couldn't develop the car further.

Vettel almost threw it away in 2010, through an error strewn performance, throughout the year. The Ferrari has been bullet proof this year, and surely that can't continue, surely they've got to have some errors this year? Button has intimated he'll defintely play wing man to Hamilton, and as Button, finally, has upped his pace, that actually means something this year. Now, will Webber cede positions for Vettel? I think he will now, so we have a genuine 3 horse race, and with 6 races remaining, I think it's all to play for. I keep remembering 2007 when Kimi was almost 2 race wins behind with 2 races to go and won it all.

This isn't over by a long shot.