Future of Schumacher

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the best solution would be massa to sauber, michael to ferrari

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too right it would be

at least he could enjoy some highlights then

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zyphro wrote:[...]

Face the reality: MGP have humiliated him, he won't stand for that.
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Mercedes probably gave Schumacher the chance to stay if he was willing to partner Hamilton. Rosberg's got talent, but not enough to justify being favored over a seven-time World Champion by default. Even Schumacher's marketing value is worth more than Rosberg's driving ability.

I think Schumacher just didn't want any part of it, much like he wasn't willing to partner Raikkonen at Ferrari in 2007. So, he had to go.

Mercedes really had no choice in the matter, either, because a team that's serious about winning simply cannot afford to let an available driver like Hamilton, warts and all, slip through their fingers. He's got the speed and, perhaps most importantly, the youth to build around. Neither Schumacher nor Rosberg possess both of those qualities. That means Hamilton is an upgrade no matter how you slice it.

The same thing happened to Raikkonen at Ferrari when Alonso became available. In fact, the team paid Raikkonen a ----ton of money to make way for the better driver.

F1 is strategic; it's not sentimental.

I fully expect Schumacher will retire rather than fight in the mid-field - again - with a team like Sauber or be dominated by Alonso at Ferrari. (And to be fair, I don't think Alonso would be thrilled with the prospect of a Schumacher homecoming in Maranello, either.)

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Return of the lost Son! That would be epic!
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bhallg2k wrote:
zyphro wrote:[...]

Face the reality: MGP have humiliated him, he won't stand for that.
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Mercedes probably gave Schumacher the chance to stay if he was willing to partner Hamilton. Rosberg's got talent, but not enough to justify being favored over a seven-time World Champion by default. Even Schumacher's marketing value is worth more than Rosberg's driving ability.

I think Schumacher just didn't want any part of it, much like he wasn't willing to partner Raikkonen at Ferrari in 2007. So, he had to go.

Mercedes really had no choice in the matter, either, because a team that's serious about winning simply cannot afford to let an available driver like Hamilton, warts and all, slip through their fingers. He's got the speed and, perhaps most importantly, the youth to build around. Neither Schumacher nor Rosberg possess both of those qualities. That means Hamilton is an upgrade no matter how you slice it.

The same thing happened to Raikkonen at Ferrari when Alonso became available. In fact, the team paid Raikkonen a ----ton of money to make way for the better driver.

F1 is strategic; it's not sentimental.

I fully expect Schumacher will retire rather than fight in the mid-field - again - with a team like Sauber or be dominated by Alonso at Ferrari. (And to be fair, I don't think Alonso would be thrilled with the prospect of a Schumacher homecoming in Maranello, either.)
Hey, I don't have a problem with the ousting of Schumacher. I actually agree with much of what you said. However, the affair was handled extremely unfairly given how much the team had let Schumacher down this season already.

I'd fully expect Alonso to beat Schumacher, I don't know about "dominate". I can't really see how anyone can do a worser job than Massa, currently.

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I don't know how else it could have happened, though. This is what break-ups look like. (Trust me. I know.)

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bhallg2k wrote:I don't know how else it could have happened, though. This is what break-ups look like. (Trust me. I know.)
Suppose.

Though, I wouldn't want to see MS being 'retired' like that. I still feel he has a lot to give, even though he is slower comparable to his first career (understandably so, aging etc). However, despite that, he's still able to compete to a high level and has this season, outperformed his team mate. He still has the passion to race. This has come to an end with Mercedes, but, I think he may find it again at a team like Sauber.

Aside from all that, it's still great to have him on the grid. I've never understood the argument of him tarnishing his legacy and the fact he should make way for 'young blood': if he can still compete at a high level, and, enjoys the racing, why shouldn't he be on the grid?

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getting older is tough - i feel there as got to be some discrimination because of his age, just a little at least

what does everyone else think

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zyphro wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:I don't know how else it could have happened, though. This is what break-ups look like. (Trust me. I know.)
Suppose.

Though, I wouldn't want to see MS being 'retired' like that. I still feel he has a lot to give, even though he is slower comparable to his first career (understandably so, aging etc). However, despite that, he's still able to compete to a high level and has this season, outperformed his team mate. He still has the passion to race. This has come to an end with Mercedes, but, I think he may find it again at a team like Sauber.

Aside from all that, it's still great to have him on the grid. I've never understood the argument of him tarnishing his legacy and the fact he should make way for 'young blood': if he can still compete at a high level, and, enjoys the racing, why shouldn't he be on the grid?
dude understand MIcheal had chance to sign this Contract with Merc earlier in season but he didn't want!! so Mercedes was forced to find another driver next year.
You talk no-sense here..... and refuse to face reality. look around you and wake-up!!! This guy choose to retire none force him. Not anyone's fault that he changed his mind on the way .....

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If it is true that Mercedes offered Michael a new deal and he has refused to give an answer, the logic question is, why?

If he is driving well, if he has had his best performences since 2010 I would like to know why he has so many doubts. For me, the true reason is that he doesnt like a lot of things that has seen/suffered inside the team. Because its quite logic to think that with the new staff and windtunnel the WO4 can be much better, so there has to be a hidden reason to explain Michaels attitude.

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Either he wants to stop, either he does not see this team to compete at the top soon.
I think he will stop, I''m sure he won't go to Sauber and I don't see him moving to Ferrari, although it would be the best opportunity to win again.

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I don´t see this.
The words are out ,Hamilton is signed .But STILL no word about Schumacher retireing...
Why would he or DAI or MGP NOT make an announcement of Schumacher retireing and therefore committing to Hamilton?
Very dubious.
Also everything official from DAI words are carefully chosen to avoid mentioning who and whyy the decision was driven to this final result.
I still believe Schumacher set performance targets (as did Brawn) wich were not met by the team.When Brawn tried to finalise the deal Schumacher just shrugged this off and came up with the october deadline.

Let´s see if he is still motivated to do one more season or two...It would make for a stunning farewell tour for Peter Sauber to have Schumacher on board...It would definetely make for a huge upturn in terms of finance for Sauber to get hold of him.
I don´t see Schumacher taking much money either..Kobayashi+Michael would make for as uper pairing with Alguesauri as the reserve?

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clipsy1H wrote:
zyphro wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:I don't know how else it could have happened, though. This is what break-ups look like. (Trust me. I know.)
Suppose.

Though, I wouldn't want to see MS being 'retired' like that. I still feel he has a lot to give, even though he is slower comparable to his first career (understandably so, aging etc). However, despite that, he's still able to compete to a high level and has this season, outperformed his team mate. He still has the passion to race. This has come to an end with Mercedes, but, I think he may find it again at a team like Sauber.

Aside from all that, it's still great to have him on the grid. I've never understood the argument of him tarnishing his legacy and the fact he should make way for 'young blood': if he can still compete at a high level, and, enjoys the racing, why shouldn't he be on the grid?
dude understand MIcheal had chance to sign this Contract with Merc earlier in season but he didn't want!! so Mercedes was forced to find another driver next year.
You talk no-sense here..... and refuse to face reality. look around you and wake-up!!! This guy choose to retire none force him. Not anyone's fault that he changed his mind on the way .....
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Schumacher has given a message to the media:
I want to thank the whole team for the wonderful 3 years. I have enjoyed the driving and working with the Mercedes team. unfortunately it had to end in a unsportive way.

Now he just has been thrown out. That i believe is for sure.

The one who dissapointed me the most is Ross Brawn; i had never expected that he would sell his soul to the devil.
"Life is about passions - Thank you for sharing mine" MSC

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zyphro wrote:
clipsy1H wrote:
zyphro wrote:
Suppose.

Though, I wouldn't want to see MS being 'retired' like that. I still feel he has a lot to give, even though he is slower comparable to his first career (understandably so, aging etc). However, despite that, he's still able to compete to a high level and has this season, outperformed his team mate. He still has the passion to race. This has come to an end with Mercedes, but, I think he may find it again at a team like Sauber.

Aside from all that, it's still great to have him on the grid. I've never understood the argument of him tarnishing his legacy and the fact he should make way for 'young blood': if he can still compete at a high level, and, enjoys the racing, why shouldn't he be on the grid?
dude understand MIcheal had chance to sign this Contract with Merc earlier in season but he didn't want!! so Mercedes was forced to find another driver next year.
You talk no-sense here..... and refuse to face reality. look around you and wake-up!!! This guy choose to retire none force him. Not anyone's fault that he changed his mind on the way .....
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