BBC: F1's Greatest Driver

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#1 will be Senna or Clark. Both were brilliant all-around, had stunning drives, and were cut down far too soon.

In terms of character, Jim Clark had a bit more reserve and was a bit less, shall we say, "eccentric". Less of a celebrity and more of a driver's driver (though not to discount's Senna's talent).

Also, Jim Clark was British, though that really shouldn't matter.

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Both were true rain masters. real, legit rain masters.

I don´t know the percentage of Clark but Senna had 60% wins of every rain race.

Compared to 40% for Hamilton and Schumacher.
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beelsebob wrote:As I can see they have senna, fangio, schumacher and clark to fit in in some order.
Bruno Senna
Juan Manuel Fangio
Ralf Schumacher
Jim Clark

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It's a shame Ronnie Peterson won't be on that list.

He was far better than quite a few of the revealed drivers, including Fittipaldi.

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FoxHound wrote:@jdlive

That kind of echoes what I think. Senna's Williams contract was for 3 years I believe. Now if hill could push Schumacher to the wire in 94/95 and win in 96, there is a reasonable proposition to say he could have been a 6 time champion. Ifs and buts once more. Imagine he signed on for a swansong year in 97....
Hill won 1 WDC. End of story. What if's don't count.
94 to the wire,after Schumacher had to sit out 2 GP's and had points stripped off him.
In 95 Hill was nowhere nearby.
Very few drivers have consistently been within a stones throw from the Championship every season. Schumacher was.
92 -3rd 53pts
93 - 4th 54pts
94 - WC
95 - WC
96 - 3rd
97 - 2nd but excluded due to ramming Villeneuve
98 - 2nd
99 - 5th (sat out 6 races due to broken leg)
00 - WC
01 - WC
02 - WC
03 - WC
04 - WC
05 - 3rd Bridgestone tyres
06 - 2nd

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Only the greats ahve similar stats. Senna Prost, Clark, Fangio

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I think Prost gets lower positions on these lists for being a bit of prick.

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i must say,prost was not cool.but back to what i wanted to point out.i think Graham hill,deserves better than 19th.
after watching him drive,with a helmet,that just won´t save anyone,in any case.was just amazeing.driveing like he did,deserves more than alonsos high tech safe drives.he also won 2 wc,so it not just his dareing drives,he was a great driver.

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What is this insistent idea that driving in dangerous situation makes you a greater driver? You just go and assume that all the best drivers today are just a bunch of pussies that wouldn't dare get into one of those older cars, let alone drive to the limit. Completely without basis, and a complete disrespect.

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mnmracer wrote:What is this insistent idea that driving in dangerous situation makes you a greater driver? You just go and assume that all the best drivers today are just a bunch of pussies that wouldn't dare get into one of those older cars, let alone drive to the limit. Completely without basis, and a complete disrespect.

Knowing that one mistake whilst on the limit can kill you...Would current driver be prepared to go to the limit and stay there lap after lap?
Look what happens when it rains. Drivers on the radio complaining of dangerous conditions.
There is some substance to it.
JET set

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marcush. wrote:greatest driver ...
when Moss can say publicly :Schumacher was not that special...then you know this all is just nonsense.a not so special driver cannot bag 7 championships when the true masters only collected 3,4 or 5 .
The guy who wins is still the champ even in a lottery as 2012 .No matter if it is alonso ,Vettel,Raikkonnen or Hamilton it will be well deserved and non of those could be tagged not special...

Any person with eyes in their heads could instantly realise Schumacher is something special. Senna was very well aware him-why?
I would actually say the person who wins this year will convince me more that they are special. If it's vetted, he'll go up greatly in my ratings. This years cars have been (reasonably) evenly matched. Compare this to Schumacher, who had a car that was roughly 2-3 times more likely to finish a race than anyone else's for 3/4 of the years he won, and it's much much more impressive.

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oh my,relax.i wasn´t here to diss anyone,and not calling any driver a pu$$y.i must say though,nowadays,most drivers cry so much,maybe they just girls,not realy pu$$ys.but joke aside.i said hill won 2 wc,and i think he was a monaco multi winner,that track not easy to win.so that was my point over alonso.i just don´t think hill deserves 19th.

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FoxHound wrote:
mnmracer wrote:What is this insistent idea that driving in dangerous situation makes you a greater driver? You just go and assume that all the best drivers today are just a bunch of pussies that wouldn't dare get into one of those older cars, let alone drive to the limit. Completely without basis, and a complete disrespect.
Knowing that one mistake whilst on the limit can kill you...Would current driver be prepared to go to the limit and stay there lap after lap?
Look what happens when it rains. Drivers on the radio complaining of dangerous conditions.
There is some substance to it.
The complaining on the radio is pure politics.
Did Alonso not jump right back in the car after his 2003 Brazilian GP crash, taking a podium just a few weeks later?
Did Vettel not jump right back in the car after nearly losing his finger in FR3.5, winning both races in F3 a few weeks later?

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beelsebob wrote: I would actually say the person who wins this year will convince me more that they are special. If it's vetted, he'll go up greatly in my ratings. This years cars have been (reasonably) evenly matched.
I tend to agree with that, this year means more than most years with the cars being much more evenly matched, and there being 7 world champions on the grid.

Surprisingly though I feel that whoever wins the championship is irrelevant in many ways. The three top drivers, Ham, Vet and Alonso have cemented their place as the greatest drivers currently in F1, and perhaps of all time. It is a shame that only one can claim the title this year, because in my opinion all of them have a reasonable claim to be 2012 best driver.

Alonso's performances this year have been the best that I think I have ever remembered from any driver. Win or lose the WDC he ranks as one of the greats, and has proven sufficiently to me that he is the best all round driver of his generation and of the current drivers on the grid for his all round ability - top qualifier, top racer, top team leader. I would dearly love him to win the title this year, I think he deserves it more than any other driver, but even if he doesn't he shouldn't be worried. After this year many may well consider him a contender for the greatest of all time and I might have to agree.

Lewis has been desperately unlucky this year, let down by his team, and being taken out in two races. I really feel bad for him, and this is after last year when I hated everything about him - I was completely fed up with his antics but there have been little repeats of that this year and he has won me over once again. The guy has pure speed, he is a great racer, however I feel his talent betrays his ability to develop a car. By right, the title this year should have been his this year.

Of the big 3 Vettel is perhaps the least deserving this year, but he has shown something which I have not seen of him before. Namely he is a top class racer, in addition to being very fast. I don't want him to win the title, as I feel there are other people more deserving, however he has shown he can get the best result out of a bad situation, something I wasn't sure of before.
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The last four (in order)

4. Damon Hill
3. Phil Hill
2. Graham Hill
1. Benny Hill

How can you put Niki Lauda in the top 20 and not Ronnie Peterson ? Not many drivers of that list would have been able to win three Grand Prix in 1974 with the five years old Lotus 72...

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Michael Schumacher, in at number 4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19998444.

In my opinion he should be number 1.

List so far;
Number 4 - Michael Schumacher
Number 5 - Alain Prost
Number 6 - Stirling Moss
Number 7 - Jackie Stewart
Number 8 - Sebastian Vettel
Number 9 - Niki Lauda
Number 10 - Fernando Alonso
Number 11 - Alberto Ascari
Number 12 - Gilles Villeneuve
Number 13 - Nigel Mansell
Number 14 - Mika Hakkinen
Number 15 - Lewis Hamilton
Number 16 - Nelson Piquet
Number 17 - Emerson Fittipaldi
Number 18 - Jack Brabham
Number 19 – Graham Hill
Number 20 – Jochen Rindt