Autosport awards revisited

[Nando]

both Hamilton and Button was there,




Interesting thing about the fans. Just read Vettel´s fanboys stormed Bruno Senna´s facebook because they are as blind as Vettel himself meaning they all thought Senna was behind the collision at Brazil.

Maybe Button´s fans (also blind by nature) stormed the Autosport polls.

[Cylinder]

I mean i dont know if i saw correctly, but if its true that Jenson button came ahead of Lewis Hamilton in this list, then it tells you all you need to know about the kind of moronic individuals who voted.

Even though I would not have selected Button, it tells me that different people have different perceptions than each other.

Im gonna have to stop you here, im not a mclaren supporter, but ANYONE who thinks Jenson Button had a better season than Lewis Hamilton should lean over and press the ''off'' button on the tv. They shouldn't be allowed to watch motorsport.

Lewis destroyed him, and i dont care what the points say, because factor out Lewis's bad luck and it's a landslide. Plus Button got destroyed 17-3 in quali to add to that too.

Hamilton is in another league to him as a driver.

[Nando]

=D> =D>

I might be biased but honestly, that´s simply the truth.

[Raptor22]

I mean i dont know if i saw correctly, but if its true that Jenson button came ahead of Lewis Hamilton in this list, then it tells you all you need to know about the kind of moronic individuals who voted.

Even though I would not have selected Button, it tells me that different people have different perceptions than each other.

Im gonna have to stop you here, im not a mclaren supporter, but ANYONE who thinks Jenson Button had a better season than Lewis Hamilton should lean over and press the ''off'' button on the tv. They shouldn't be allowed to watch motorsport.

Lewis destroyed him, and i dont care what the points say, because factor out Lewis's bad luck and it's a landslide. Plus Button got destroyed 17-3 in quali to add to that too.

Hamilton is in another league to him as a driver.

This is true but facts are wins awards, not heart

[DaveKillens]

I mean i dont know if i saw correctly, but if its true that Jenson button came ahead of Lewis Hamilton in this list, then it tells you all you need to know about the kind of moronic individuals who voted.

Even though I would not have selected Button, it tells me that different people have different perceptions than each other.

Im gonna have to stop you here, im not a mclaren supporter, but ANYONE who thinks Jenson Button had a better season than Lewis Hamilton should lean over and press the ''off'' button on the tv. They shouldn't be allowed to watch motorsport.

Lewis destroyed him, and i dont care what the points say, because factor out Lewis's bad luck and it's a landslide. Plus Button got destroyed 17-3 in quali to add to that too.

Hamilton is in another league to him as a driver.

Fair enough, I definitely will not disagree that Hamilton had a superlative season. But as I stated, it comes down to people's individual perceptions, and obviously some people think differently than you. They see things differently than you, to them other things may be more important. And no doubt, emotions come into play. Even you exhibit emotions by using such emotionally charged words as "destroyed", and pick and choose which stats to use in your argument. Maybe to them, they look at the final numbers and note that in the final tally, it was 190 to 188, and 4 wins to 3. Maybe to them it was close enough to declare a draw. Maybe to them it was the perception that Button was a team builder while Hamilton was disruptive, and is on his way out. Maybe it was the fact that Button has more Twitter followers. Maybe it was the fact that after three years as teammates, Button accumulated more points.

I don't know what went on in their heads, maybe it was a concerted and co-ordinated quiet effort by Button fans to vote in a mass. But I would not get that excited, it was a vote based more on popularity than sheer numbers.

And whoever did vote for Button aren't dumb or live in a fantasy world, they did manage to make this happen.

[Nando]

And whoever did vote for Button aren't dumb or live in a fantasy world, they did manage to make this happen.

So you are saying it´s a testament to their intelligence by visiting Autsport and press a button?

[WhiteBlue]

DK, I really liked your post. The voice of reason. I like that a lot. I would have voted for Hamilton but that doesn't matter. You have to accept the result when the voters have spoken and when the chequered flag comes down. We manage our emotions and move on with life.

[jdlive]

Maybe the fans looked at it like this: if in a season where Hamilton "destroyed" Button, he ends up with 2 WDC points more than Button, then perhaps it's best to just let Button win it?

You can't imagine how many points less Hamilton would have had if he simply had a good season relative to Button.

[GrizzleBoy]

Even though I would not have selected Button, it tells me that different people have different perceptions than each other.

Im gonna have to stop you here, im not a mclaren supporter, but ANYONE who thinks Jenson Button had a better season than Lewis Hamilton should lean over and press the ''off'' button on the tv. They shouldn't be allowed to watch motorsport.

Lewis destroyed him, and i dont care what the points say, because factor out Lewis's bad luck and it's a landslide. Plus Button got destroyed 17-3 in quali to add to that too.

Hamilton is in another league to him as a driver.

Fair enough, I definitely will not disagree that Hamilton had a superlative season. But as I stated, it comes down to people's individual perceptions, and obviously some people think differently than you. They see things differently than you, to them other things may be more important. And no doubt, emotions come into play. Even you exhibit emotions by using such emotionally charged words as "destroyed", and pick and choose which stats to use in your argument. Maybe to them, they look at the final numbers and note that in the final tally, it was 190 to 188, and 4 wins to 3. Maybe to them it was close enough to declare a draw. Maybe to them it was the perception that Button was a team builder while Hamilton was disruptive, and is on his way out. Maybe it was the fact that Button has more Twitter followers. Maybe it was the fact that after three years as teammates, Button accumulated more points.

I don't know what went on in their heads, maybe it was a concerted and co-ordinated quiet effort by Button fans to vote in a mass. But I would not get that excited, it was a vote based more on popularity than sheer numbers.

And whoever did vote for Button aren't dumb or live in a fantasy world, they did manage to make this happen.

Nobody is doubting that their perception was different.

It was obviously VERY different to any reality (not to be confused with whatever it was that caused them all to vote for Button) where Button could have been british driver of 2012.

Also, all your efforts to make this a Hamilton vs Button thing, there were many other drivers out there in different racing disciplined that fared much better as drivers.

As for the "accept it and move on" types of posts.

No.

If I see a pile of rubbish, I shall be calling it a pile of rubbish.

I'm not asking for a re-count, I'm simply exercising my right to call a piece of rubbish with a pink ribbon on it, a piece of rubbish, despite whatever pink bow of arbitrary reasoning might exist that could still never turn the piece of rubbish into something that isn't a piece of rubbish.

Since all that reasoning is doing is explaining why people might think that a pile of rubbish with a pink bow on it isn't a pile of rubbish. Twitter followers, "he's more mature", "more 'mature' people voted" and what not are all lovely pink bows. But those pink bows are just sitting on the fact that a lot of (the) people (who voted) thought that Buttons worst season in however long deserves British driver of the year award, which is a pile of rubbish.

[raymondu999]

It's an award. It changes nothing. It's something you probably won't even remember in a month's time - and even if it did it wouldn't make an iota of difference in the quality, nor any aspect of, your life.

So call it a piece of rubbish, and move on. No use wasting time on being angry at something you can't change.

The map is not the territory.

[GrizzleBoy]

It's an award. It changes nothing. It's something you probably won't even remember in a month's time - and even if it did it wouldn't make an iota of difference in the quality, nor any aspect of, your life.

So call it a piece of rubbish, and move on. No use wasting time on being angry at something you can't change.

The map is not the territory.

I don't appreciate that tbh.

Who told you I thought it made any difference to my life?

Who told you I thought it changed anything?

Who even said I was in a situation that needed "moving on" from?

This is a discussion thread about the awards. We are discussing the awards.

Maybe what should be asked is why certain people cannot allow people to express their opinions as a discussion (which is what I thought forums were for) without jumping and telling people to "move on" as if every thread were a crime scene where people were only allowed to look as they walked by, make a passing comment and nothing more.

I could be just as rude and tell you that my discussion isn't making any changes to your life or changing anything and that you therefore should just read the posts and "move on" without being compelled to explain why I should.

After all, what "move on" means in reality is "you've said your piece, now stop talking". Else the simple act of discussion wouldn't require the need to tell people to "move on", nor would it bring with it the condescending assumption that people didn't already accept it.

When I said "No." to people asserting that people who disagreed with the vote should "move on", it was more of a "please stop telling me to stop discussing it" type of thing.

Blergh :-"

[flynfrog]

If we all say Hamilton was the best ever will you give it a rest. God forbid anyone doesn't recognize that some one who has one a single championship by a single point in the last corner is not the best F1 driver ever well then it would be anarchy. Let be honest he would have won 12 by now if it were not for the team trying to screw him or bad luck or angry gods or Alonso. To bad the FIA wont just count qualy results instead of race results. Maybe one day they will add a bad luck clause so that a driver who retires gets to keep his position because he is the best.

F1 is IF spelled backwards

[GrizzleBoy]

Give what a rest?

[Nando]

F1 is IF spelled backwards

Maybe in some parallel universe yes. Or if you are an analphabet.

Also funny how people compare drivers skills to how many titles they have.
Really sad when you think about it.

[jdlive]

If we all say Hamilton was the best ever will you give it a rest. God forbid anyone doesn't recognize that some one who has one a single championship by a single point in the last corner is not the best F1 driver ever well then it would be anarchy. Let be honest he would have won 12 by now if it were not for the team trying to screw him or bad luck or angry gods or Alonso. To bad the FIA wont just count qualy results instead of race results. Maybe one day they will add a bad luck clause so that a driver who retires gets to keep his position because he is the best.

F1 is IF spelled backwards

Painfully true rofl