Why would you tell your second driver to lift and coast, when you could just tell him "stick to the pace of your team mate, that'll bring you both back".FrukostScones wrote:but if they didn't tell ROS to save fuel, he was low on fuel but not told until he was blocked by HAM (or never...)?
Was he told to save fuel? Where is the proof? ROS should know maybe better.
ah c'mon, running close together and fighting is not a good way to save fuel. (And don't come up with DRS as fuel saving device).beelsebob wrote:Why would you tell your second driver to lift and coast, when you could just tell him "stick to the pace of your team mate, that'll bring you both back".FrukostScones wrote:but if they didn't tell ROS to save fuel, he was low on fuel but not told until he was blocked by HAM (or never...)?
Was he told to save fuel? Where is the proof? ROS should know maybe better.
No it's not, hence why you get the on the radio to your drivers and say "don't fight each other, finish in this order".FrukostScones wrote:ah c'mon, running close together and fighting is not a good way to save fuel. (And don't come up with DRS as fuel saving device).beelsebob wrote:Why would you tell your second driver to lift and coast, when you could just tell him "stick to the pace of your team mate, that'll bring you both back".FrukostScones wrote:but if they didn't tell ROS to save fuel, he was low on fuel but not told until he was blocked by HAM (or never...)?
Was he told to save fuel? Where is the proof? ROS should know maybe better.
He *was* told to put the engine in low revs mode, and to follow hamilton home.If ROS had been low on fuel they would have said to him save fuel, put engine on unpurple mode, we are racing Massa.
even if he was told, it was just made to keep him from attacking Hamilton.beelsebob wrote:....
He *was* told to put the engine in low revs mode, and to follow hamilton home.If ROS had been low on fuel they would have said to him save fuel, put engine on unpurple mode, we are racing Massa.
No, you yourself cited the reason he was told – because the two fighting with each other when both were on low fuel would simply result in both of them running out.FrukostScones wrote:even if he was told, it was just made to keep him from attacking Hamilton.
Again – it's entirely plausible (nee probable, given wolff and brawn's comments) that if the battle had been allowed to carry on, *neither* car would have reached the finish line.Also HAM on the podium etc. He was clearly preferred. He did not win the battle. So if Rosberg will miss WDC with 3 points, have fun Wolff.
To be fair - we don't know what data it was going to be. For all we know it could've been a P45 for Rosberg.beelsebob wrote:But as we already covered – the drivers don't always know the technical details of how much fuel they actually have. They're told only what they need to know. Brawn also hinted at exactly this after the race when he said "we'll show the drivers the data, and then they'll understand".
True. My point is mostly not that this is what happened, but that for all we (and hamilton when he said rosberg should have beaten him) know, this could well be what happened. Wolff's assertion seems to back up that it's a highly likely scenario.raymondu999 wrote:To be fair - we don't know what data it was going to be. For all we know it could've been a P45 for Rosberg.beelsebob wrote:But as we already covered – the drivers don't always know the technical details of how much fuel they actually have. They're told only what they need to know. Brawn also hinted at exactly this after the race when he said "we'll show the drivers the data, and then they'll understand".
nah nah, don't put words in my mouth.beelsebob wrote:No, you yourself cited the reason he was told – because the two fighting with each other when both were on low fuel would simply result in both of them running out.FrukostScones wrote:even if he was told, it was just made to keep him from attacking Hamilton.
Again – it's entirely plausible (nee probable, given wolff and brawn's comments) that if the battle had been allowed to carry on, *neither* car would have reached the finish line.Also HAM on the podium etc. He was clearly preferred. He did not win the battle. So if Rosberg will miss WDC with 3 points, have fun Wolff.
You asserted that racing each other would waste fuel. That's true. There's no reason to suspect that this would not mean ROS running out of fuel as well as HAM.FrukostScones wrote:nah nah, don't put words in my mouth.
They would have crashed or HAM would have run out of fuel. (in the worst worst case more worse than displeasing the Pop Star and wonderboy).
depends...beelsebob wrote:You asserted that racing each other would waste fuel. That's true. There's no reason to suspect that this would not mean ROS running out of fuel as well as HAM.FrukostScones wrote:nah nah, don't put words in my mouth.
They would have crashed or HAM would have run out of fuel. (in the worst worst case more worse than displeasing the Pop Star and wonderboy).
On?FrukostScones wrote:depends...beelsebob wrote:You asserted that racing each other would waste fuel. That's true. There's no reason to suspect that this would not mean ROS running out of fuel as well as HAM.FrukostScones wrote:nah nah, don't put words in my mouth.
They would have crashed or HAM would have run out of fuel. (in the worst worst case more worse than displeasing the Pop Star and wonderboy).
maybe HAM cranked up the REVSShrieker wrote:Rosberg passed Hamilton 3 times and got passed back again and again. If he had so much more fuel than Hamilton, then why couldn't he just pull away, 3 times ? Once would've been enough.
So you are not surprised.WhiteBlue wrote:I'm not surprised by the results of this voting. In any case the majority of voters did not think that team orders were justified. In the Merc case we even have three times the votes against team orders than for team orders. Even in the Red Bull case a clear majority of voters do not agree with the team order being issued.
