Qualifying Improvements & Tyre Improvements

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Qualifying Improvements & Tyre Improvements

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Im sick of Qualifying being a dull bore-fest for the most part, Qualifying is becoming to the point that only a quater of the 60 minuite session is worth watching. Also the Tires need to be improved to provide a little more durability, however still be able to provide 3 or 4 hot laps on the option and still be able to make it to at least lap 10 of the race.

My suggestions:

Race Tyres/Strategy/Quali
• Each team will get 9 sets of dry tyres per car per weekend. 4 sets of prime and 5 sets of options.
• Each car shall get a set of primes and two sets of options taken away from it after each FP1 & FP2.
• After FP3 a further set of each dry compound shall be taken away from each car.
• Going into Quali & Race that gives each car 2 sets of primes and 3 sets of options.
• Each car shall have a set of options set aside for it for Q3. Cars that dont get into Q3 shall be given this set back for the race. This is the set they must qualify on and take into the race.
• Each car has to do at least 8 laps in Q1, 6 laps in Q2 and 4 laps in Q3. That's a minimum of 18 laps in total as a minimum for times to be activated.
• Q3 cars do so in a so in a single lap shoot out style where the fastest in Q2 will go last. The cars shall be released in 20 second increments, and shall return to parc ferme immediately.
• Teams who fall out in Q1 do not have to worry about a 2 compound rule and
• All cars must run with 75Kg of fuel onboard as well in order to go faster you have to burn fuel. Not green, but avoids a bore-fest.
• There will be a pit window introduced where teams must make their stops after 50Km of the race is complete and before the last 50Km of the race is done. This would be lap 8 for Spa and lap 15 for Monaco for the start of the pit window.
• Teams who run a FP1 driver shall get a set of options given to them for that driver to aid his development.

This may introduce a bit of a "WWE" element to F1, but i think having clear rules and targets like this would strike the bridge between the guys who want the lottery aspect to F1 and the real racers. Meaning a driver can push, however there will be a aspect where he will have to drive slower for a while in order to make it. It will also give enough variation for the strategists to play with and also give enough for everyone to be content with F1. However tires would last an average of 20 laps, some tracks more and some tracks less than that figure, but on average it would be a target of 20 laps, from an average of 180 laps for a weekend from a 5Km average track. It would mean Quali would be a important aspect of the weekend and a aspect that needs to be done well in order to get an ace result for the weekend.

Any thoughts?

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That looks way too artificial for my liking. My suggestion? Keep it simple.
- Each driver should have "enough" tyres for the weekend. Whatever that magic number might be. Nobody likes to watch an empty track during FPs and qualy.
- The qualy format is fine, but tyre saving isn't. Todays Q3 was just another example where three drivers didn't even bother to try set a lap time. Imo tyre usage in qualifying shouldnt affect the race.
- Get rid of the rule where top drivers have to start the race with the set they qualified with.
- No need to use both type of tyres during the race.

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Soft tires will change (longer duration) beginning at barcelona.

Source: Niki Lauda

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Bernie Ecclestone has hinted that we may see an extra set of tires by the Barcelona GP for FP1.

Looks like the ring master has been tapped on the shoulder
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Way to complicated and artificial.

The problem right now is that teams don't run in Q3. Why? To conserve tyres for the race.

A simple way to let the teams push more in quali is to give them more tyres. Give each driver two sets of the softer compounds at the start of Q1, and have them return the two sets at the end of Q3. Keep the rule that the drivers who get to Q3 start on the tyre they made their fastest lap on. This way each time has two free sets of tyres to burn during qualification. The top teams will save them for Q2/Q3 and they will run them.

This way teams aren't penalized for running in Q3 by having to used a set of scrubbed tyres for the race, and this way teams are "forced" to run in quali by having tyres that they need to burn.

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gandharva wrote:Soft tires will change (longer duration) beginning at barcelona.

Source: Niki Lauda
Meaning they'll throw out the current softs and bring in a new one that will last longer?

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Maelstrom wrote:
gandharva wrote:Soft tires will change (longer duration) beginning at barcelona.

Source: Niki Lauda
Meaning they'll throw out the current softs and bring in a new one that will last longer?
Sounds like Pirelli acknowledging that the softs were a little too soft, and will bring a tiny bit harder one yep.

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Good decision. Barcelona will eat up those tyres.

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Why don't they just bring medium and hard compounds to Barcelona !

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They do... but this year's mediums are last years softs and this years hards are last years mediums. So i'd expect more pitstops.

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radosav wrote:Why don't they just bring medium and hard compounds to Barcelona !
The same reason they didn't bring them to China – the medium lasted 20 laps, the hard would probably last 40 odd, and we'd have a boring old 1 stopper.

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beelsebob wrote:
radosav wrote:Why don't they just bring medium and hard compounds to Barcelona !
The same reason they didn't bring them to China – the medium lasted 20 laps, the hard would probably last 40 odd, and we'd have a boring old 1 stopper.
Well, they can't have both! I don't think that Ferrari will agree with any kind of change!

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Is it possible that Pirelli put too much focus on the rear tyres? The common believe is that there is a gap of 0.5-0.6 seconds between the softs and the mediums. With China being front-limited, we've seen a much bigger gap between the 2, both in durability and performance.

On a rear-limited track the softs might have performed as normal. I suspect Pirelli didn't judged the more unique situation of China as good as it should have been. Outside that, it would have been impossible to get the right tyre combination. Soft-medium had too much soft tyre degredation, while medium-hard would obviously have been a 1 stopper. Pirelli just does not have a tyre inbetween the soft and the medium.
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Im not so bothered by the tyres for Qualifying, but with super soft tyres drivers and teams dont want to run the tyres in Quali as they will be worth more in the race.
So, the simple way to get a decent Q3, just introduce the 107% rule in that session, and not just Q1.

Obviously there will be exceptions for people that crash out in Q3 or break down. But if the car doesnt complete a lap inside the 107% rule, that car will be made to start from the rear of the grid. If it is a spin or a genuine breakdown (proven to the strewards) the car will then be able to start 10th.

Surely ths is a very simple and easy way to stop people sitting in the garage in Q3.
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NathanOlder wrote:Im not so bothered by the tyres for Qualifying, but with super soft tyres drivers and teams dont want to run the tyres in Quali as they will be worth more in the race.
So, the simple way to get a decent Q3, just introduce the 107% rule in that session, and not just Q1.

Obviously there will be exceptions for people that crash out in Q3 or break down. But if the car doesnt complete a lap inside the 107% rule, that car will be made to start from the rear of the grid. If it is a spin or a genuine breakdown (proven to the strewards) the car will then be able to start 10th.

Surely ths is a very simple and easy way to stop people sitting in the garage in Q3.
That's a good idea.