Silly Season 2013/14

[turbof1]

Vettel will be number 1 driver and his ego will be the number 2.

Pun intended?

[munudeges]

We only have to look back at the 'Hamilton' rumours last year to see how RedBull feel. The answer is in here, in Horner's words:

'We also took a decision to invest in youth and we've two really exciting youngsters entering GP racing in Jean-Eric Vergne and Daniel Ricciardo.

Vergne has been by far the better race driver, despite Ricciardo's over inflated opinion of himself, but even Vergne hasn't stood out that much. The Torro Rosso drivers simply aren't up to the job.

[Cam]

We only have to look back at the 'Hamilton' rumours last year to see how RedBull feel. The answer is in here, in Horner's words:

'We also took a decision to invest in youth and we've two really exciting youngsters entering GP racing in Jean-Eric Vergne and Daniel Ricciardo.

Vergne has been by far the better race driver, despite Ricciardo's over inflated opinion of himself, but even Vergne hasn't stood out that much. The Torro Rosso drivers simply aren't up to the job.

What are you basing "The Torro Rosso drivers simply aren't up to the job" on exactly? Their race results? Qualifying? What? If you are, then you are not using the measurement for success that RedBull themselves have stated publicly they use.

For all you know, both TR drivers out race the RB drivers in the simulator on the same car. We don't have all the facts of the results as RedBull are measuring by - that much is true. So I'm mystified as to how anyone else can categorically dismiss them as contenders.

Ricciardo is far from having an "over inflated opinion of himself" - in fact, most media claim he is the silent type, quite shy, but brilliantly quick when in tune with the car. He's had some real stand out results. So I'd love to see your evidence to back your claims.

Vergne hasn't been as good with the media I think. We barely see him anywhere. He gets next to no tv time, no right ups, and hasn't really become a 'personality' in the paddock. He's not had one standout result, that I can recall.

Have an opinion, sure, but base it on something other than hate.

[mboutla]

Hi everybody,

I told in a post that Kimi raikonnen will replace Mark webber way before Markko say that they are interested about kimi.
Everybody got to know that the kimi's management have one thing in their mind. Making more money without destroy kimi's image.

For instance kimi got drop out from ferrari at the end of the 2010 season but ferrari payed him the 2011 year of contract and the deal was to not race in f1. So of course they accept the deal... get payed without racing in f1 and get payed by red bull for racing in rally... that 's what the kimi's management (robertson brother) are payed for:Making more money without destroy kimi's image.

So for me the red bull deal is done.

the real question is who will replace Kimi in lotus (Kubica??)

[Jonnycraig]

Vergne hasn't been as good with the media I think. We barely see him anywhere. He gets next to no tv time, no right ups, and hasn't really become a 'personality' in the paddock. He's not had one standout result, that I can recall.

Vergne is Buemi to Ricciardo's Alguersuari.

With regards standout results, running 7th in Malaysia and keeping it on the track on inters was incredible. In Monaco he stopped first of everyone and drove from last to 7th. Even this year in Australia, he was consistently in the top 5 in Q1 & Q2 until sent as a guinea pig on slicks costing him a Q3 slot.

Brundle has consistently said he thinks Vergne is more likely to graduate to RB. Of course this doesn't mean anything but its certainly interesting.

Clearly we don't know the ins and out of thinking and evaluation at RB, but if they were to promote a driver to RB it would be as a rear gunner for Vettel and to learn and be moulded into a potential future champion. IMO, Vergne fits that bill. It seems unlikely he would challenge Vettel for pole positions (although he's stated he sets the car up to save the rears in races sacrificing qualifying) and is far stronger in races than Ricciardo so can mix it with Vettels championship rivals.

Personally still think Raikonnen will go to RB, Ricciardo into Buemi's test role and Vergne & Da Costa at TR.

[beelsebob]

Vergne hasn't been as good with the media I think. We barely see him anywhere. He gets next to no tv time, no right ups, and hasn't really become a 'personality' in the paddock. He's not had one standout result, that I can recall.

Vergne is Buemi to Ricciardo's Alguersuari.

With regards standout results, running 7th in Malaysia and keeping it on the track on inters was incredible. In Monaco he stopped first of everyone and drove from last to 7th. Even this year in Australia, he was consistently in the top 5 in Q1 & Q2 until sent as a guinea pig on slicks costing him a Q3 slot.

Brundle has consistently said he thinks Vergne is more likely to graduate to RB. Of course this doesn't mean anything but its certainly interesting.

And yet, Ricciardo is beating Vergne fairly handily this year.

[Jonnycraig]

And yet, Ricciardo is beating Vergne fairly handily this year.

Eh?

Vergne easily outraced Ricciardo in Australia and Malaysia, Ricciardo in China (although Vergne spent 40 laps nursing a damaged car) and Bahrain where Vergne was taken out on lap 2. Struggling to see personally how you've made it 3-1 Ricciardo in races but i'll bow to your superior knowledge.

With regards qualifying, anything but 19-0 would be a surprise. Vergne has stated he sets up the car to save the rears in the race at the sacrifice of one lap speed.

[wesley123]

It is quite easy really Riccardio is 3-1 on Vergne so Riccardio qualified 3 times in front of Vergne, and in the race also defeated him 3 times.

That Vergne had this or that dont really matter if you ask me, what if's dont win races, and they cant support another driver either, and certainly as a second driver you need someone that is consistent, and someone that has bad luck in half of them or has w/e reason for it to get beaten by his team mate is not consistent.

Not saying Riccardio is a better pick for the second seat, imo they both are far from good enough.

[beelsebob]

Vergne easily outraced Ricciardo in Australia and Malaysia, Ricciardo in China (although Vergne spent 40 laps nursing a damaged car) and Bahrain where Vergne was taken out on lap 2. Struggling to see personally how you've made it 3-1 Ricciardo in races but i'll bow to your superior knowledge.

It's 3-1 because Ricciardo has finished in front of Vergne 3 times, and behind once.

With regards qualifying, anything but 19-0 would be a surprise. Vergne has stated he sets up the car to save the rears in the race at the sacrifice of one lap speed.

Then it's even less impressive that he's not finishing in front of Ricciardo in races

[Jonnycraig]

It's 3-1 because Ricciardo has finished in front of Vergne 3 times, and behind once.

Vergne finished infront in Australia and Malaysia.

Unless of course you are considering the race to finish at the point Ricciardo's exhaust broke - 10 seconds ahead of Vergne but either a pitstop behind or the longest stint of anyone in the race on hards ahead of him. This despite Vergne losing 30 seconds in the pits

Looks like 2-2 to me, but again I bow to your knowledge.

imo they both are far from good enough.

Agreed, hence saying above I personally expect Raikonnen to go there.

[mboutla]

Thinking that ricciardo or vergne could have the seat is just a waist of time because they're not top driver yet...

So Raikonnen is the only choice for Red bull.

[beelsebob]

It's 3-1 because Ricciardo has finished in front of Vergne 3 times, and behind once.

Vergne finished infront in Australia and Malaysia.

Unless of course you are considering the race to finish at the point Ricciardo's exhaust broke - 10 seconds ahead of Vergne but either a pitstop behind or the longest stint of anyone in the race on hards ahead of him. This despite Vergne losing 30 seconds in the pits

Looks like 2-2 to me, but again I bow to your knowledge.

You're right, I'll update my post. Ricciardo is still both outscoring and out qualifying Vergne though, so he's still substantially up.

[Cam]

"Many drivers want to drive for Red Bull, and we have two very good juniors," he is quoted by APA news agency at the Red Bull Ring circuit in Spielberg, Austria on Monday.

The 'two very good juniors' referred to by Marko are Toro Rosso duo Ricciardo, 23, and the similarly-aged Frenchman Jean-Eric Vergne.

"In general we are happy with both drivers," Marko said. "Ricciardo is currently the better one. Vergne is too impetuous, asking too much of these sensitive tires in qualifying."

Source

[gandharva]

A bit more for the rumors... Kimi visited RedBull show event Kini Fullgas yesterday.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ77Bh4H ... e=youtu.be[/youtube]

[Neno]

Oh my God really, wow now he is definetly signed for Red Bull now, he was on their event Ofcourse he signed, he and Vettel have greatest bromance ever, why wouldn't sign it.
they will share even same car, who knows what they will share among that. Yes, yooo-hooo!

Cut the crap, Red Bull organise 99% percent of all sports events in world. You really even if you want avoid Red Bull marketing you couldnt do that, why because when i am going in store and someone take picture of me close to fridge, and you see a bottle of Red Bull close to me, dose i look like i am going to sign for Red Bull, and share bromance? F?ck no