McLaren today celebrates its 50 years of existence as today marks the day that New Zealander Bruce McLaren inaugurated Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd on September 2, 1963.
The rules are probably gonna keep all the engines roughly equal. I would imagine Mclaren's benefits will be mostly financial. I see no reason to believe the engine will be a competitive advantage.Racer X wrote:Their is a huge chance the HONDA Turbo V6 could be amazing. So yes But it still Sad.
If they are using 2014 budget, I would imagine its a trade off to make sure a lack performance now doesn't hurt their 2014 budget even worse by not earning enough money from the constructor standings. I would also imagine that "using their 2014 budget" means something more along the lines of not switching focus over to the 2014 car quite as soon as they wanted. I'm a Ferrari fan, but I'll be the first to say Mclaren is a very savvy team that knows what they're doing. Their current slump is just a temporary thing and they'll be fine next year.gary123 wrote:i read a couple of weeks ago in a italian article that they are using the 2014 budget to improve the 2013 car...well the car has been modified but there is no improvement. every race that passes the car becams slower...in this last two races we saw how the toro rosso became competitive,and we dont need to mention the force india wich is clearly ahed of the mclaren...Pierce89 wrote:What makes you say they are spending their 2014 budget? If they don't improve, that will hurt their 2014 budget.gary123 wrote:well i would like to hear the words that Martin and Sam have to say at this point of the situation! at the begining of the season they said that the mp4\28 had a great potential! these are bull****! the car is a mess! and even worst they are using the 2014 budget to make the car faster... i dont think what is going on in the team in this last times but they are making a lot of mistakes! this season is goNE and it would be much better to think to next season...
In the old days, McLaren never had two bad seasons in a row. But nowadays......................I don't know anymore.gary123 wrote:If they are using 2014 budget, I would imagine its a trade off to make sure a lack performance now doesn't hurt their 2014 budget even worse by not earning enough money from the constructor standings. I would also imagine that "using their 2014 budget" means something more along the lines of not switching focus over to the 2014 car quite as soon as they wanted. I'm a Ferrari fan, but I'll be the first to say Mclaren is a very savvy team that knows what they're doing. Their current slump is just a temporary thing and they'll be fine next year.
I disagree mate.wesley123 wrote:The Red Bull was hardly basic when it was launched in 2009, and they too did things that were "special". So there isnt really much a problem in there.
If there is any problem I can think of it is team morale or correlation between the WT/CFD, simulator and real life.
As for morale:
The team last year had pretty much the quickest car, and the quickest driver which was pretty much flawless. They had a huge chance at winning the WDC/WCC, or even better, they were pretty much certain of winning it. But the team just threw it away, and after that they show to be happy with ending up third. If I were just a regular employee of McLAren that would give me a few doubts about what my employees goals are in the championship.
As for the correlation:
McLAren is one of the teams that in recent years often bought updates that were not working as expected, more so than other teams. McLaren is one of the most striking teams in this, since 2010 updates they bring more often dont work than that they do. That is something that you do not want, but it isnt much of a problem.
If we take a look at this year, they havent had that problem, Button even said that the package would bring them great gains according to the simulator if I'm correct. Yet they come in Spain, and they hardly improved, while obviously the sim said something otherwise. So that would lead me to believe that the correlation is off. Certainly with their earlier situation of bringing non working updates, and now with bringing working updates that do not give a improvement.
The last more obvious time that that happened was in 2007, when Honda introduced their RA107, that also had huge aero gains, but in real life, nothing of that was true. And later in the season it was discovered that their windtunnel gave wrong results.
Haha you think Red Bull won those races last year cause they did a DDRS ? DDRS was like the smallest part of the upgrades Red Bull brought to Singapore and Japan...hakan439 wrote:I disagree mate.wesley123 wrote:The Red Bull was hardly basic when it was launched in 2009, and they too did things that were "special". So there isnt really much a problem in there.
If there is any problem I can think of it is team morale or correlation between the WT/CFD, simulator and real life.
As for morale:
The team last year had pretty much the quickest car, and the quickest driver which was pretty much flawless. They had a huge chance at winning the WDC/WCC, or even better, they were pretty much certain of winning it. But the team just threw it away, and after that they show to be happy with ending up third. If I were just a regular employee of McLAren that would give me a few doubts about what my employees goals are in the championship.
As for the correlation:
McLAren is one of the teams that in recent years often bought updates that were not working as expected, more so than other teams. McLaren is one of the most striking teams in this, since 2010 updates they bring more often dont work than that they do. That is something that you do not want, but it isnt much of a problem.
If we take a look at this year, they havent had that problem, Button even said that the package would bring them great gains according to the simulator if I'm correct. Yet they come in Spain, and they hardly improved, while obviously the sim said something otherwise. So that would lead me to believe that the correlation is off. Certainly with their earlier situation of bringing non working updates, and now with bringing working updates that do not give a improvement.
The last more obvious time that that happened was in 2007, when Honda introduced their RA107, that also had huge aero gains, but in real life, nothing of that was true. And later in the season it was discovered that their windtunnel gave wrong results.
in 2011, with the MP4-26, last minute exhauts change made them the second (I think) fastest car in the first race which they only tested in the simualtion.
in 2012, with the MP4-27, updates in Hockenheim worked well and they did had the best car until RB came up with DDRS at the last 3-4 races.
Macca can bring "Working" updates to a car which also works well. Or lets say, not fundemantally wrong with the basic concept or design
Which was a rip off of the Red Bull and Ferrari solution because their own version was crap, even though their simulation obviously said it worked, well it didnt, even when it didnt broke it was still a inferior solution.hakan439 wrote: in 2011, with the MP4-26, last minute exhauts change made them the second (I think) fastest car in the first race which they only tested in the simualtion.
Indeed they hadin 2012, with the MP4-27, updates in Hockenheim worked well and they did had the best car until RB came up with DDRS at the last 3-4 races.
Sure they can, however it happens quite often that they switch to an old solution with the updates not working, or not working as expected.Macca can bring "Working" updates to a car which also works well. Or lets say, not fundemantally wrong with the basic concept or design
isn't this there 2nd season? i mean last year it was there trackside team that --- it up, this year its there design team
I mean, they've seen some technical talent leave this year, as well as one of the best current F1 drivers. Their rumored worsening financial situation surely won't help. According to different sources the roadcars are not even close to hitting the numbers they should and the company is bleeding as a result. Some say the choice for Perez was merely a financial one.captainmorgan wrote:Is there reason as to why McLaren are underperforming hard this year?
TheRMVR wrote:I mean, they've seen some technical talent leave this year, as well as one of the best current F1 drivers. Their rumored worsening financial situation surely won't help. According to different sources the roadcars are not even close to hitting the numbers they should and the company is bleeding as a result. Some say the choice for Perez was merely a financial one.captainmorgan wrote:Is there reason as to why McLaren are underperforming hard this year?
You know nothing. Mclaren mp4-12c is more user and road friendly than any avarage family car.Huntresa wrote:TheRMVR wrote:I mean, they've seen some technical talent leave this year, as well as one of the best current F1 drivers. Their rumored worsening financial situation surely won't help. According to different sources the roadcars are not even close to hitting the numbers they should and the company is bleeding as a result. Some say the choice for Perez was merely a financial one.captainmorgan wrote:Is there reason as to why McLaren are underperforming hard this year?
Yeah it would be good if they actually made roadcars, and not street legal racecars
I don't know anything about Morris, but I wonder what he can tell McLaren about the Williams gearbox. And I like the last sentence of McLaren's statement. At least they they aren't fooling themselves about their situation."Matt Morris will join McLaren Racing as engineering director once his current contractual situation with Sauber is resolved.
"Matt will work for our technical director, Tim Goss, to ensure our engineering standards and technical decision-making capabilities are of the highest quality.
"During a period of intense technical challenge within Formula 1, Matt's appointment is the first step in an ongoing programme to strengthen the engineering department as our organisation prepares for the arrival of Honda in 2015."
