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Adrian Sutil has secured a deal with Sauber to ensure himself a race seat for 2014. He will effectively make the inverse move of Nico Hulkenberg who joined Force India following his departure at Sauber.
I think MW ranks 3rd on rhe list of drivers who've had their teammate become WDC - a list Barrichello tops.WilliamsF1 wrote:Wonder how Rubens Barrichello career compares with Mark Webber?
I know, that's what "if it's even true" part is for. True or not the wording is funny.turbof1 wrote:Again Crash got their info out of a The Daily Star article, a tabloid with very little credibility. What they call "a close friend" could just as well be a random tourist who had by chance neighbouring hotel chambers with Webber last year at Monaco. I am not saying whether or not Webber leaves, but that article is not any indication for both.From Crash article: "confided in close friends" Some nice, close friends Webber has, if it's even true. He can't take a break, can he? This is classic Mateschitz/Red Bull driver support, they screw him, lie in general, lie about team orders (again), then quickly announce his possible replacements.
Just a friendly reminder to everyone: always check the original source of an article, and check the credibility of it. It'll help with identifying what is more likely real and what is less likely. This is especially true for English newspapers/tabloids: You have on one side the likes of The Sun, The Daily Star,... who are basicilly fancy gossip papers. On the other side you have good credible newspapers like The Guardian, The Times, etc.
Come on, he's not dead yetWilliamsF1 wrote:Wonder how Rubens Barrichello career compares with Mark Webber?
Different strengths and weaknesses, different teams and situations at their prime.
Citing Auto Bild's report, Die Welt newspaper now reports that Mateschitz has "personally presented the Australian with an offer to extend his contract".
The report added that Webber will consider the offer until August, when Red Bull's bosses Marko and Christian Horner have said consistently they will turn their attention to the team's 2014 driver lineup.
It is all vey well for anyone to say that Didi has personally presented Webber with an offer, but then admit that it is Horner and Marko who will make the decision. Mateschitz could not agree to something that he has no control over. All sounds like a bit of spin.Cam wrote:Citing Auto Bild's report, Die Welt newspaper now reports that Mateschitz has "personally presented the Australian with an offer to extend his contract".
The report added that Webber will consider the offer until August, when Red Bull's bosses Marko and Christian Horner have said consistently they will turn their attention to the team's 2014 driver lineup.
Where does it say the decision is solely in the hands if Horner and Marko? Webber has a strong relationship with Mateschitz and Horner and I would think Mateschitz has some say in the team he owns. Webber is well respected by both. Arguably he's the best person for the seat too. Stability is king. Why can't it be Webber's decision? Surely he's earned it and its not outside the realms of possibility.gilgen wrote:It is all vey well for anyone to say that Didi has personally presented Webber with an offer, but then admit that it is Horner and Marko who will make the decision. Mateschitz could not agree to something that he has no control over. All sounds like a bit of spin.Cam wrote:Citing Auto Bild's report, Die Welt newspaper now reports that Mateschitz has "personally presented the Australian with an offer to extend his contract".
The report added that Webber will consider the offer until August, when Red Bull's bosses Marko and Christian Horner have said consistently they will turn their attention to the team's 2014 driver lineup.
Undoubtedly Didi makes that kind of decisions at Red Bull. If you believe different you have not understood how Red Bull operate in F1.gilgen wrote:It is all vey well for anyone to say that Didi has personally presented Webber with an offer, but then admit that it is Horner and Marko who will make the decision. Mateschitz could not agree to something that he has no control over. All sounds like a bit of spin.
I disagree. Go back and search through the statements Horner quoted in the media around the time Hamilton was sniffing around for a seat. Also the statements Horner has made since then in relation to the development drivers in Torro Rosso. Horner made it quote clear what Red Bull need in the team and who would/would not fit the very specific mould required for that team to function harmoniously. He also made it quite clear what he was looking for in the development drivers, if they were to step up. WB's post of how Newey fits in is spot on - and it's this same ethos they use throughout the team.Racer X wrote:The question RedBull needs to answer is simple are you looking for a Number 2 driver or the beat possible line up
If you want a number 2 things are plenty simple. Get Paul Di Resta ,a Toro Rosso Driver.
If you want a top driver Take Kimi.
+1Cam wrote: Stability is key - especially when the technical is about to change dramatically. Mark and Vettel hate each other - to the point they push each other over and beyond team instructions. This hatred is pushing them both to succeed. They both know it and they both realise to some point they they need it. They both know the team intimately, know the systems, know the future directions. You can't buy that - it has to be earned. You have a perfectly functional, well established, proven winning set of pieces. There is absolutely no need to change anything, unless Mark wants out. To which, Mark's just been handed a contract. That shows you where Red Bull are thinking. Do they have a plan B - of course, that's prudent. Mark is the Plan A. Always would be.
Maybe I have a good knowledge of how things are done? Didi does not make statements such as this. It is one speculative report from a paper, from an unspecified source.WhiteBlue wrote:Undoubtedly Didi makes that kind of decisions at Red Bull. If you believe different you have not understood how Red Bull operate in F1.gilgen wrote:It is all vey well for anyone to say that Didi has personally presented Webber with an offer, but then admit that it is Horner and Marko who will make the decision. Mateschitz could not agree to something that he has no control over. All sounds like a bit of spin.
Frankly, they missed the window to get a replacement for Webber. The ideal time would have been either in 2012 or this year. With the new regulations in 2014, a new driver would have to first be acclimated to time at Red Bull first - getting every other aspect of the team absorbed: names, development, driver dynamics - before challenging the new regs. When the completely (relatively) new cars come in, they don't want to futz around with a new driver that can't handle the pressure when they have their own #1 adjusting as well. 2012 and especially 2013 were stable enough so that a new driver could be pulled in and advance with the notes from Vettel's side. When 2014 comes, everyone will be mostly on even ground.Cam wrote:
Stability is key - especially when the technical is about to change dramatically. Mark and Vettel hate each other - to the point they push each other over and beyond team instructions. This hatred is pushing them both to succeed. They both know it and they both realise to some point they they need it. They both know the team intimately, know the systems, know the future directions. You can't buy that - it has to be earned. You have a perfectly functional, well established, proven winning set of pieces. There is absolutely no need to change anything, unless Mark wants out. To which, Mark's just been handed a contract. That shows you where Red Bull are thinking. Do they have a plan B - of course, that's prudent. Mark is the Plan A. Always would be.