Ferrari have reportedly made another key appointment this year as the team managed to sign Dirk De Beer, Lotus' current head of aerodynamics. He is expected to begin work at the end of the year.
I think it'll be a cold day in hell before Mike Coughlan finds himself working for Ferrari.donskar wrote:So , in addition to Allison, Mike Coughlan is also available. Just wondering how long the often impatient Ferrari leadership will wait for Fry to produce a winner.
I'm not sure all of the onus can be placed on Fry's shoulders. F2012, he had minimal influence on the cars concept. F138, certainly more responsibility, but it's the last year of current Regs, so it's a bit deeper/fundamental than what simply meets the eye. I think 2014 is a question for everyone... If Ferrari nail it and get it right while the others do not, I don't think it can be attributed solely to Fry. So my personal opinion is 2015 is a make or break season for this Engineer. Not this year or next. F1 is much too complicated to expect results from an archaic methodology(relative terms) and I think if he doesn't produce a winner by the end of the 2015 season, it's time to reevaluate options... Forza Ferrari!donskar wrote:So , in addition to Allison, Mike Coughlan is also available. Just wondering how long the often impatient Ferrari leadership will wait for Fry to produce a winner.
I'd say that's a pretty safe statement. But, he does know a lot about the 2007 Ferrari.bhallg2k wrote:I think it'll be a cold day in hell before Mike Coughlan finds himself working for Ferrari.donskar wrote:So , in addition to Allison, Mike Coughlan is also available. Just wondering how long the often impatient Ferrari leadership will wait for Fry to produce a winner.
Fry should go, and others with him if the 2014 car don't work. 2015 with the same people is not an option for me if the 2014 fail.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:I'm not sure all of the onus can be placed on Fry's shoulders. F2012, he had minimal influence on the cars concept. F138, certainly more responsibility, but it's the last year of current Regs, so it's a bit deeper/fundamental than what simply meets the eye. I think 2014 is a question for everyone... If Ferrari nail it and get it right while the others do not, I don't think it can be attributed solely to Fry. So my personal opinion is 2015 is a make or break season for this Engineer. Not this year or next. F1 is much too complicated to expect results from an archaic methodology(relative terms) and I think if he doesn't produce a winner by the end of the 2015 season, it's time to reevaluate options... Forza Ferrari!donskar wrote:So , in addition to Allison, Mike Coughlan is also available. Just wondering how long the often impatient Ferrari leadership will wait for Fry to produce a winner.
In the past, "huge new regs" have meant a dominant car from Newey. He seems to be able to come to grips with new regs more quickly than anyone else. Fry better hope Marmorini comes up with a very special turbo engine.Chuckjr wrote:2014, as a year for massive new regs, is no place to determine Fry's fate, imo. It needs to wait till 2015. You cannot judge the engineering of any of the cars next year whether good or bad as someone I think will get lucky and many will not. Lotteries are not a place to determine talent. If Ferrari, or any top echelon team for that matter, is a dud next year, i say see how they improve throughout the year. If they suck it and are still crap by end of the year, then 2015 should determine fate, but I don't think it's wise to nix a smart guy like Fry next year if the car is not a winner. I know it's subjective and many will disagree, but imo, a huge new regs year is no place for determining if a guy of Fry's caliber should be booted out.
I definitely agree, but next year the engine is going to be a big differentiator and that wasn't the case with the last reg change. We shall see how it pans out, but as Chuck said, I think it wouldn't be right to fire one of your key guys during next season if a team doesn't get it right.donskar wrote:
In the past, "huge new regs" have meant a dominant car from Newey. He seems to be able to come to grips with new regs more quickly than anyone else. Fry better hope Marmorini comes up with a very special turbo engine.
Hi Donskar, yes indeed that seems to often be the case as Newey is a stellar engineer, but Brawn and Co found a way to crush all comers from 2000 till 2004-5, so it absolutely positively can be done. In my view, Ferrari seems to have been preparing for 2014 for some time now with all the people the have been hiring from other teams. If Luca pulls it off and organizes a dominant group like he did in the past, it would be amazing and a real testament to his abilities. I am really looking forward to what 2014 brings. If you haven't been following the new engine reg discussion in the other forum I suggest checking it out. It is a superb thread.donskar wrote:In the past, "huge new regs" have meant a dominant car from Newey. He seems to be able to come to grips with new regs more quickly than anyone else. Fry better hope Marmorini comes up with a very special turbo engine.
And who should replace them?f1universe wrote:
Fry should go, and others with him if the 2014 car don't work. 2015 with the same people is not an option for me if the 2014 fail.
Alonso hoisted an inferior Benneton above the likes of M. Schumacher himself, and brought the dream team and Ferrari to their knees not so long ago--thus ending (essentially) the career of a 7 time champ. The feat was so impressive Ferrari paid the likes of none other than WDC Kimi himself to sit out a season WITH pay to land Fred. I don't think Luca would have done that w/o good reason.godlameroso wrote:I think Massa is unlucky, he had good pace in the last race, his car just quit on him abruptly. In Silverstone he was hit with a puncture, in Canada he was unlucky but also had good pace. The race before that his suspension failed, and before that he was on the podium. I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more "bad luck" especially now that Alonso seems to have practically thrown in the towel. Basically he's admitted defeat to Red Bull and Vettel, it's just that they can't seem to design something that allows him to win, maybe the Ferrari can go fast enough to beat Vettel, but Alonso just can't extract the pace from the car. I think the cars are so close together that drivers can make a difference, and that the difference from the Ferrari to the Red Bull isn't 4 tenths but that Alonso can't find those tenths.
